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Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:20:08
Unknown
So today, Alex is going to guide us through the powerful potential and important considerations of working with children’s charts. When I was learning astrology, I was taught that you start off the world as your moon sign and you grow into your sun sign via your son. Then a child is going to express the moon sign with their parents.
00:00:20:10 – 00:00:37:14
Unknown
You’re going to be something different with your brothers and your sisters. Where are some of the pitfalls that you’ve seen people fall into? I think a lot of astrologers tend to get in over their heads with problems. It’s knowing where to draw that line with astrology. Once you’re a parent, it’s like, oh my God, this is way harder than I ever imagined.
00:00:37:14 – 00:00:54:18
Unknown
Parenting is an even harder job than teaching. Astrology has been such an incredible tool for me as a parent. I lean on it almost daily, and we need to find ways that we can use it in a way that is ethical and useful. Here’s a tip for any parent. Jupiter return is the most important year of a child’s life.
00:00:54:19 – 00:00:59:24
Unknown
Take them on a holiday that’s as far removed from their own culture as possible.
00:00:59:24 – 00:01:24:11
Unknown
All right everybody, welcome back to the Astrology Have podcast. Today. We’re thrilled to have a true leader in the field of astrology and education, Alex Chenoweth. I know many times on this show we’ve talked about how amazing it would be if astrology were taught and used in schools. Well, Alex has very first hand experience with this and more.
00:01:24:13 – 00:01:52:20
Unknown
So today Alex is going to guide us through the powerful potential and important considerations of working with children’s charts. She’ll share why understanding a child’s natal chart can be a game changer for parents and educators. Hidden developmental stages revealed by planetary placements. What she’s learned while bringing astrology into classrooms, and the ethical guidelines every astrologer should follow when working with kids.
00:01:52:22 – 00:02:22:02
Unknown
And we could not have a better astrologer to guide this conversation. Alex is a professional school teacher and award winning astrologer who holds a master’s and cultural astronomy and astrology, alongside her diploma from the Faculty of Astrological Studies. And she even received an honorary PhD for her groundbreaking research on adolescent behavior and lunar cycles. She’s the author of Growing Pains Astrology in Adolescence.
00:02:22:07 – 00:02:42:17
Unknown
And Mira Mira. She’s spoken around the world, integrating astrology in the schools and supporting parents, teachers, and children with insight and care. So, as you can see, we’re in very good hands today for this conversation. Alex is also going to be an inner circle guide for us in 2026. So Inner circle members, we have that to look forward to as well.
00:02:42:19 – 00:03:09:13
Unknown
Whether you’re a parent or grandparent, exploring your children’s or your child’s individuality, or an astrologer curious about chart about reading charts for minors. This episode is for you. Alex, welcome to the Astrology Podcast. I know we haven’t done anything official with you since 2015, our very first summit ever. And so I’m really, really honored to have you back on the platform here today.
00:03:09:15 – 00:03:27:01
Unknown
Thank you. I’m thrilled to be back. All right. So let’s start because it’s your Astrology Hub podcast debut. Let’s start with a little backstory. What what brought you to astrology and then what brought you to specializing in focusing on children and astrology?
00:03:27:05 – 00:03:34:00
Unknown
Okay, so I mean, I got into astrology because I was skeptical. My birthday is 23rd July next week.
00:03:34:02 – 00:04:03:06
Unknown
Nice. And yeah. And my mom was reading newspaper astrology. And she was. It must have been like a Sunday supplement. And I was maybe 11 or 12. And she came across mine. And it described cancers as being home loving and shy. And I was like, well, I guess that means that’s not true for me and my mom. Being a Sagittarius, she was outgoing, lively and adventurous, and I was like, wow, I guess astrology is a load of rubbish because my mom’s quite a homebody.
00:04:03:08 – 00:04:20:12
Unknown
But anyway, so whenever someone asked me, you know, you know, what’s your sun sign or what’s your star sign, I would say on the cusp of Leo. I would never own up to being a cancer. But one day, close to the end of my university education, just before I moved to England, a friend of mine was reading.
00:04:20:14 – 00:04:43:03
Unknown
Now she said to me, she says, are you a are you a Leo? And just to be kind of contrary, I said, no, I’m a cancer. Just to show that astrology doesn’t work. And she said, I bet you have the moon in Leo. And I had never heard of such a thing. So she got out this, beat up all the summaries, and she threw up a rudimentary, chart for me, and she says, yep, pointed to it.
00:04:43:03 – 00:04:55:22
Unknown
There’s your moon in Leo. And she says, if I’ve done my calculations right, you’re a Gemini Rising, which means your your ruling planet is Mercury. And that’s also one Leo. And to me, it just looked like absolute magic.
00:04:55:22 – 00:05:02:14
Unknown
And I was hooked because no wonder I felt like a Leo. Because, you know, like our ruling planet was a Leo.
00:05:02:16 – 00:05:04:14
Unknown
My son’s ruler wasn’t Leo.
00:05:04:14 – 00:05:23:09
Unknown
So, you know, it made a lot of sense to me. And from there, I just couldn’t get enough. I got a beat up old astrology book, sort of studying. Then I moved to England, and I heard Russell Grant talking about astrology, talking about aspects and transits. And I was like, wow, there’s another astrologer on this earth who speaks the language, and I have to find them.
00:05:23:11 – 00:05:45:21
Unknown
So I found my way to the Faculty of Astrological Studies, and I just started taking classes, and I started practicing the way you normally do with, you know, reading for your friends and your family. Now, how I got into, education was, my my given name isn’t Alex. I have a legal name that I have to use, you know, for banks and stuff like that.
00:05:45:21 – 00:05:52:08
Unknown
You know, the only people call me by my given name are, you know, bankers and lawyers and doctors and people I don’t want to hear from.
00:05:52:08 – 00:06:00:00
Unknown
So anyway, my first day of my full time job, I asked my head teacher if she would call me Alex. And so she must have googled Alex
00:06:00:00 – 00:06:13:02
Unknown
because the next day I was formally summoned into her office and I was told that under no circumstances was I to talk about being an astrologer or to username Alex, because a parent might Google me and complain.
00:06:13:02 – 00:06:34:11
Unknown
And if that happens, I was I could be dismissed for gross misconduct, for bringing the school into disrepute because it was a Christian academy. Now, had this happened today, I’ve course I’d be prepared as an argument for religious persecution. But back then it was just a new, you know, a new teacher. You know. Yeah, I was pretty new to England as well.
00:06:34:11 – 00:06:37:16
Unknown
I didn’t really have a lot of power back then. Not that I do now,
00:06:37:16 – 00:06:46:16
Unknown
but I know a bit more about how to defend myself these days. And so I just went along with it. But the first thing I did was, sneakily,
00:06:46:16 – 00:06:50:22
Unknown
you know, saying I can’t do something is a sure way guaranteeing I’m going to try it.
00:06:50:24 – 00:07:19:08
Unknown
And, I put my class into a seating arrangement according to some signs. So I had all the fire signs of one row, all the Earth signs, and the next all the air signs and all the water signs. And if you’re a teacher, don’t do this. Because what happened was the fire signs, of course, took over. And the air signs being as they are shouted over the heads of the earth signs and the Earth signs just kind of sat there in silent shock, and the water signs started to hug themselves and rock to self-soothe.
00:07:19:09 – 00:07:46:06
Unknown
So it didn’t work. But, you know, teaching is a hard job and, you know, it’s a lot going on. And I was also a single parent. There was so much going on in my personal life, let alone my professional one, and I didn’t think I could do it. I didn’t think I could be a teacher. But one day, when I had decided that I was going to give it up, I looked out of my class and I was really sad because I wanted to be a teacher since I was six years old and I was going to give it up.
00:07:46:08 – 00:08:08:24
Unknown
But I looked out at them and I realized something that changed my life. They all have the same Jupiter sign, and they also have all the same Saturn sign and their Jupiter sign. Sign the center. So I was playing off my Jupiter Saturn sign, and suddenly I had them. And it’s not that I use astrology to, you know, say, okay, you guys got Jupiter in cancer.
00:08:08:24 – 00:08:28:06
Unknown
You can always study history. It’s not like that at all. It’s just understanding how they learn. And I understand, for example, with Jupiter in cancer, they need an emotional connection. They need to care about what they’re learning. Whatever the subject is, they need to understand, hey, this is going to help me support my family in some way. They have to care about about what they’re learning.
00:08:28:08 – 00:08:43:09
Unknown
So that’s how I got astrology, you know, sort of bringing astrology into education. And I did a full Jupiter cycle of teaching, observing what works and what doesn’t work. With each Jupiter class that I taught. And then I wrote Growing Pains after 12 years.
00:08:43:09 – 00:09:04:14
Unknown
Okay. Alex. So I have so many questions about that. I just recently did a report for one of my daughters, a children’s report written by an astrologer. I’m not going to say the name. It doesn’t matter. And I read the report and went, wow. If it’s if she was a newborn and I had read this, I would have parents.
00:09:04:15 – 00:09:27:17
Unknown
Her parents had her wrong because it was really sunshine oriented and it was really kind of like your stereotypical she’s a Virgo, but she doesn’t seem like a Virgo. She’s messy and she’s, you know, she’s definitely service oriented, but she’s not, that the way that Virgo is represented a lot. I’m just like, oh, she just not that.
00:09:27:17 – 00:09:50:22
Unknown
And she never was. So one of the things that you said that really like, jumped out at me was that it was that your moon was in Leo and that, you know, there was so much more to this story than just your sun sign. Obviously, with children, when we I’ve heard. And do you agree that there a lot of times expressing their moon more than anything else, or.
00:09:50:22 – 00:10:11:12
Unknown
I mean, because my other daughter is a lot like her son sign, so it’s a little tricky. Yeah, she’s a Libra and she’s like very much a typical Libra. So what do you find in terms of interpreting the children’s children’s charts? Is it different when they’re young versus how you would approach someone who is more mature? It’s
00:10:11:12 – 00:10:15:13
Unknown
a really good question, and it has a couple layers I want to get to.
00:10:15:15 – 00:10:43:04
Unknown
So first of all, as an educator, my job is to teach it. It’s I’m not worried about a child’s personality. So I’m going to wear two different hats, one as a parent and one as a teacher. So as a teacher my job isn’t a child’s personality. That’s parent’s job. Yeah, my job is to find out, you know, how they how they learn, how they retain that knowledge, how they apply it, how they work with their peers, how they prepare for exams and, you know, discipline themselves.
00:10:43:06 – 00:10:59:16
Unknown
And I’m a huge fan of exams. This might be controversial, you know, because a lot of parents say, oh, it’s too much pressure, too much pressure. And my attitude is like, get used to it because you’re going to be examined for something for the rest of your life. You’re going to be examined by your dentist, by your doctor, by your banker.
00:10:59:18 – 00:11:35:04
Unknown
You take your pick. Exams are part of life. And I think to take away that that practice, to cope with such pressure is actually taking away opportunities to help a child to grow into a disciplined adult. And and that’s just my opinion on this as a parent. Okay. So, you know, when I was learning astrology, I was taught that you start off the world as your moon sign and you grow into your sun sign via your ascendant, which is the way that I was taught how to how to interpret, children’s charts.
00:11:35:06 – 00:11:54:13
Unknown
So, and the other thing I wanted to address was a something called sect. It had to be careful how you say that word. Sect. SEC. Sect. Are you born morning in the evening or you born in the daytime? Because I think if you’re born in the evening, your moon signs going to have a lot more powerful effect.
00:11:54:16 – 00:12:21:05
Unknown
So I was born at 1:00 in the morning. So, you know, I don’t. I think I identify far more with my moon and Leo. So, yeah, I do think that we have to be very, very careful, you know? What is what is it? I mean, a child is going to express the moon sign with their parents. They’re not going to express the moon signs of me as a teacher or with me, you know, even as, you know, further removed relative like, as an auntie.
00:12:21:07 – 00:12:37:19
Unknown
You’re going to be something different with your brothers, new sisters. You know, that might be a more Mercury kind of attitude. You’re going to be different to your boss. That’s going to be Saturn, isn’t it? So, you know, I think that it depends on who you are with, which planet is going to come to you stronger.
00:12:37:21 – 00:12:56:00
Unknown
Who? But, I’m very, very, very careful about those inner planets when I’m talking to parents. And, and I think that every astrologer needs to be careful because parents are looking for a hook to hang everything on, because parenting is an even harder job than teaching. You know,
00:12:56:00 – 00:13:01:21
Unknown
it’s relentless. You never get a break. It’s constant pressure, you know, it’s never ending.
00:13:01:22 – 00:13:25:03
Unknown
You know, it’s always something, always a problem that comes along. And, and I think that, you know, if, you know, parents listening out for that and they think they hear it, you know, they’re going to blame the astrologer for things that go wrong. So I think you need to be very careful with parents and with I know we’re going to talk about the ethics of reading children’s charts, but, you know, with parents, you just I think you have to look at a parent and a child’s chart together.
00:13:25:08 – 00:13:46:05
Unknown
You can’t just read a child’s chart. That is as pointless, because a parent and child are very much a working unit or parents or, you know, whatever. People that the child lives with or, and the personal circumstances they find themselves in, are they the eldest child? Are they middle? Are they only are they adopted? Are they stuff?
00:13:46:10 – 00:13:58:09
Unknown
You know, you know, what kind of circumstance are they in in that family? These are all really important questions that astrologers need to address as so not to read the child’s chart on its own.
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00:15:21:01 – 00:15:23:01
Unknown
And now back to the episode.
00:15:23:01 – 00:15:38:08
Unknown
so as a teacher that you’re saying one of the biggest benefits was being able to to connect with the the what the kids would care about, what would motivate them as far as learning.
00:15:38:10 – 00:15:51:10
Unknown
And you were able to see that with their Jupiter, the sign and their Saturn sign are those are the two main placements that you were looking at when you were assessing a class and how to approach that class. Yes,
00:15:51:10 – 00:15:58:12
Unknown
and a bit of Uranus, but Jupiter and Saturn mainly. So, the Jupiter, the caring part was for Jupiter cancer.
00:15:58:12 – 00:16:18:04
Unknown
But if I’m teaching Jupiter, Leo, you know, there’s my actors and actresses. I’m going to get them doing a lot more drama. I’m going to get them, we call it hot seating in education, where they pretend to be Napoleon. You know what? Some people are going to say about this and, you know, you know, act out various, parts of history or whatever it is that you’re teaching.
00:16:18:06 – 00:16:38:07
Unknown
If our curriculum mapping. So if I were in a position of senior leadership and I knew that I had a Jupiter Leo group, well, hey, I’m going to bring in extra curricular drama specialists to come in. And it’s not about depriving, say, the Jupiter and Virgo students of those resources because they’re going to be there anyway. If they’re interested, they can join up.
00:16:38:09 – 00:16:57:12
Unknown
It’s just bringing out the the learning opportunities for those Leos. And I know there are Jupiter and Leos. Of course there are. It’s not about pigeonholing students. It’s about really opening up. That’s my job as a teacher is opening doors, providing opportunities. Yeah. So in some ways, I’m not just the Saturn figure, I’m also the Jupiter figure.
00:16:57:14 – 00:17:21:02
Unknown
It’s a balance of the two. And do you work in a school system that that allows you this level of freedom to adjust the curriculum and the approach? Well, I don’t have to tell them, do I? I don’t know, I, I’m, I’m a teacher. I don’t know what what are the parameters. How easy is it for you to really tailor these things?
00:17:21:04 – 00:17:44:22
Unknown
Well, you know what what teaching. I mean, a a teacher who’s not on the leadership team doesn’t really have a lot of power. They can make suggestions at staff meetings, which is what I was always doing. We can make requests. If I’m speaking that this, you know, that I think that my Jupiter in Libra students might find a challenge, debating.
00:17:44:24 – 00:18:02:18
Unknown
Okay, I’m going to ask. Or can I, by chance have extra teaching assistants in the classroom? With the teaching assistants, I’m going to be like, well, here’s where I think the problems are going to be. Here’s my evidence, because you always have to have the evidence to back you up. And this is what we’re looking for. And this is, you know, this is how we know that we’re going to be successful.
00:18:02:20 – 00:18:19:03
Unknown
So that’s the way that I would approach them now I do I shout about being an astrologer and start, you know, trying to convert everything to my way, I think. Yeah. Absolutely not. Because to be honest, I don’t care if anybody wants to be an astrologer. That’s not my business. My job as a teacher to be good at it.
00:18:19:05 – 00:18:49:13
Unknown
And, you know, I don’t worry about other people’s beliefs or other people’s opinions about astrology too much. And, And what do you see? What do you see as the biggest benefits, both as a teacher and as a parent, to utilizing the chart or astrological insights in the way that you approach kids? I think that astrology offers, a really good sort of, template for identifying tricky stages of life.
00:18:49:15 – 00:19:13:11
Unknown
And, I because I’m working with Jupiter or Saturn, I say every three years is important for in terms of Jupiter development. So for example, as three years old, the first Jupiter square, I’ve talked to you about transiting Jupiter Square. It said opposition is when you know, according to all the baby books are children, a child should be able to walk without assistance.
00:19:13:13 – 00:19:32:15
Unknown
They should be able to speak without a parent translating for them. They should be toilet trained on that side because that happens. And in turn, it gives a parent more freedom. They can travel more, they can move around more. They don’t have so much heavy equipment to carry. They don’t have to worry about diapers and playpens and strollers.
00:19:32:17 – 00:19:52:01
Unknown
The child is has outgrown those things. When a child is six, they’re learning how to read if they go to a standard school. I know Montessori and Steiner schools do things differently, but in a regular school, they’re learning how to read. And the nine is when a child is learning how to distinguish between reality and fiction.
00:19:52:03 – 00:20:11:08
Unknown
So they’re no longer afraid of the boogeyman under the bed. They’re afraid of things like terrorism. The death of a parent or divorce, a pandemic. You know, they’re worried about the things that they read in the newspapers and, the Jupiter return. Here’s a tip for any parent is the most important year of a child’s life.
00:20:11:10 – 00:20:33:19
Unknown
You know, make sure that child has all the opportunities that you can, that you can offer to take them on a holiday that’s as far removed from their own culture as possible. Let them explore different religions, let them develop their personal philosophies. Get to speak in a foreign language. You know, let them choose. And, and school languages tend to be quite limited.
00:20:33:21 – 00:20:52:10
Unknown
During the pandemic, a lot of my students were taking Japanese because they’re teaching themselves, you know, so, you know, they have interests outside the classroom. So I’m a fan of extracurricular activities, but not piling it on them. I, you know, tiger parenting or helicopter parenting, is it very pleasant for the child or for the parent for that matter?
00:20:52:12 – 00:21:07:21
Unknown
But, you know, provide those opportunities for the child. Now, the teenage years are tricky, 13 being the most challenging year. And most of my clients are first time parents of 13 year olds. And there’s something very different going on there.
00:21:07:21 – 00:21:15:10
Unknown
And, they have the first transiting after the Jupiter return. They have the first transiting aspect from outer planet.
00:21:16:20 – 00:21:41:04
Unknown
Uranus sextile Uranus at the same time that Jupiter is sextile its own natal position. If you just use the keywords, the keywords we learn where beginners big rebellion, you have a pretty clear idea what it’s like to teach 13 year olds or how to parent 13 year olds. And I’ve been doing some work, some research on, you know, whether those sextile happen with Jupiter first or with Uranus first.
00:21:41:10 – 00:22:02:02
Unknown
And I call it, truth seeker or rebel. And my argument is if a parent is a rebel and they’re trying to raise a true seeker, there could be a lot of misunderstandings and we already have a lot of difficulties because adults don’t want to remember their adolescence. They’re embarrassed by it. They can’t talk about their children, about sex here.
00:22:02:02 – 00:22:19:10
Unknown
And but I tell parents, you better tell your children about sex, or they’re going to learn about sex from their peers, and you don’t want them learning about sex from their peers, right? Same thing with alcohol or drugs or any other, any of the other difficult subjects that come up that has to come from the parent.
00:22:19:10 – 00:22:26:24
Unknown
Please talk to your children about sex and about human relationships and about, you know, how to respect each other. It has to come from home.
00:22:27:01 – 00:22:32:18
Unknown
It’s only so much a school can do when they have one adult to 30 students. Yeah. Wow.
00:22:32:18 – 00:22:51:16
Unknown
Well, in a lot of different parental, opinions about how they should handle it, it also, I, I feel like schools are in a, in a tough position when it comes to some of these more sensitive issues because not every not everybody agrees on the timing and approach of how a school would even talk about it in the first place.
00:22:51:18 – 00:22:52:12
Unknown
Right?
00:22:52:12 – 00:22:58:20
Unknown
What else does astrology tell us about the developmental stages. So we went through the Jupiter return at age 12.
00:22:58:22 – 00:23:25:07
Unknown
Well and also the Jupiter phases and the different, you know, phases of development based on the Jupiter cycle. And then you talked about Uranus and Jupiter sextile, and then we have the Saturn return. Sorry, Saturn opposition skewed Saturn, Saturn opposition at around 14 or 15. And I think that the difference between the so the time that lapses between the first Jupiter return because Jupiter can go retrograde and go direct again.
00:23:25:09 – 00:23:43:21
Unknown
So you can have three hits of Jupiter sometime. But the very first Jupiter return to the final. Such an opposition for me in my in my model of working with teenagers marks out astrological adolescence. And so there’s a vantage is a disadvantages to having a long adolescence and to having a short adolescence.
00:23:43:21 – 00:24:02:15
Unknown
So you think about it, you have a girl sitting in a classroom and, you know, she’s you’re putting up having to put up with boys. You think the height of humor is pinging her bra straps or trying to look down her sleeve to. She has to see if she has hair and armpits or these sort of things that go on in a year seven classes or seven to 11 to 12.
00:24:02:19 – 00:24:21:01
Unknown
So a girls experience is, you know, kind of like, you know, I, I remember being that age and I hated the way the boys acted. And I think, I think girls do too, and I, I would I just kind of would like that because we already stuff everybody who’s going through puberty together all of the same school.
00:24:21:01 – 00:24:39:17
Unknown
We call it middle school. And, and everybody complains about them and they’re all going through it all together, and they’re all got to go through this embarrassment together. And, you know, the teachers are overwhelmed. They got, you know, you know, all these things happening and that particular, age range. And there’s not enough assistants in there and, and parents and teachers.
00:24:39:17 – 00:25:05:10
Unknown
Oh, they’ll just grow out of it, you know, and do nothing about it. Where that is the time where they need more teaching assistants, more activities. I’m talking about school trips, and I’m not talking about making some overworked teacher give up the weekends to take kids on a camping trip. I’m talking about getting professionals, them, you know, to help these children have a good experience camping with all the, you know, all the regulations in place.
00:25:05:12 – 00:25:10:23
Unknown
I would know we all know horrific stories about things that go terribly wrong. I’m talking about having professionals and,
00:25:10:23 – 00:25:21:06
Unknown
you know, you’re going to be on a tie right now for fun education. You know, we you know, we constantly complain about you know, education isn’t this isn’t that.
00:25:21:06 – 00:25:31:12
Unknown
we should be investing in education, making sure that teachers stay in the profession, giving them a reason to, you know, feel like they’re being successful and teaching, doing the thing that they love.
00:25:31:12 – 00:25:51:00
Unknown
I don’t know too many teachers who really hate teaching or hate children. You would hate, right? You do it. They hate the workload. They hate the bias that goes along with it. They hate being told what to do all the time. They hate not being able to follow their passions. That’s what they hate. And yet we have this problem in us coming to England to where we can’t get teachers.
00:25:51:00 – 00:26:18:19
Unknown
Sustain the profession. You need statistics. Say the average teacher doesn’t last more than five years past teacher training and that I’ve lasted, you know, 30 years is because of astrology, because I’ve learned how to pare my workload down using astrology. I don’t have to guess at things I don’t have to struggle with coming up with activities. All you gotta do is say Jupiter and Scorpio, and I got my curriculum planned out because I know that, you know, I know what I’m doing and how to plan those things.
00:26:18:21 – 00:26:53:02
Unknown
Wow. Alex, do you see? I mean, one of the we’re in a time, obviously, of massive change. And, there’s going to be changes across industries, across the board, both with technological. I mean, technology is probably going to be the biggest reason why, but probably other things too. If you could like wave a magic wand and paint the the perfect scenario for for education in the future, what would that look like?
00:26:53:04 – 00:27:15:15
Unknown
I really quite like the idea of, you know, using individual, plans, you know, for like for some sorts of study, like, say, for example, for history, you know, you can work modular, you know, having, you know, okay, now we can learn the French Revolution, but you could pass all the questions and move on to the next topic and then work your way through, you know, that kind of thing works.
00:27:15:17 – 00:27:38:03
Unknown
But I think that, you know, as it is now, the the first subjects are get cut, arts, music, physical education, art itself. Yeah. They’re the first subjects to get cut. And I am totally against that. I am like, you know, if a child has a passion, get the extra, you know, professionals. Em and I does have a role in education.
00:27:38:05 – 00:27:59:00
Unknown
We need to find a way to to reduce teachers workload. How to make papers, I mean, the way do it the old fashioned way. Marking papers, going to each question. Tick, tick, tick. I think it’s so outdated. I think we need to move away from it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But then we get the problem with essays. We have, I creepy with kids writing essays, you know, with music, I.
00:27:59:02 – 00:28:22:16
Unknown
Yes, but there are ways we could test, you know, whether or not they actually are, you know, absorbing what they’re what they say they’re absorbing. So you know it. I, I think that we know we need it’s like like it is in astrology. It has its advantages and disadvantages. I can’t see AI taking over teaching, you know, completely like I can’t see it taking over astrology completely because there’s something called the human touch.
00:28:22:16 – 00:28:32:07
Unknown
And as long as we are human, we need the human touch. Yeah, that will be human. I don’t know, I it’s it’s
00:28:32:07 – 00:28:47:20
Unknown
it’s a valid question. Okay. So we are now through like age. Where are we at in terms of the developmental stages. The you were you’re starting to talk about the Saturn square opposition. So this. Oh yes the Saturn opposition.
00:28:47:24 – 00:28:53:20
Unknown
There is a Saturn square that’s at seven and interesting enough in education, at least in England
00:28:53:20 – 00:29:09:03
Unknown
we have key stage one, which is when they’re learning basic phonics and starting to put words together, key stage two is when they’re starting to like, you know, answer more fully. And that kind of follows, you know, any psychologist idea about, cognitive development.
00:29:09:05 – 00:29:27:24
Unknown
And then they have their SAT in a position at 15. So those, those stages are important too. I always say that the Saturn stages are marked by teeth because at the age of seven, they start getting the permit to at the age of 14 is when they get a lot of braces. You know, the orthodontic work comes in at 2021.
00:29:27:24 – 00:29:46:24
Unknown
Even Plato noticed that’s when the wisdom teeth come in and messes up your back teeth. The Saturn return hope. Hopefully with modern dentistry, we’re not losing our teeth, but definitely at 60, I think people are starting to face up to root canals and more complex dentistry, you know, to try to hold on to their teeth, you know?
00:29:46:24 – 00:30:10:10
Unknown
But at seven, think about that lesson. These are teeth that go last you for the rest of your life. And if you don’t take care of them, well, even if you do take very good care of them, you know, something could happen, right? But, you know, I think the Saturn returns are extremely important. And those Saturn squares and oppositions and then, at 18, around the age of 18 is that the Jupiter opposition again?
00:30:10:12 – 00:30:30:01
Unknown
What a child is deciding. Do I go on to an apprenticeship or do I go on to university or college? Oh 21 is the Saturn square before the return? You know, they’re usually settled down into some sort of career, or they are thinking about having a family. I think 24 the second Jupiter return, it used to be the average age.
00:30:30:01 – 00:30:55:04
Unknown
People have children and, you know, and then at 30, well, it used to be said that women sort of feel pressure to have their children by, by that age. But of course, with, modern medicine, you know, at that time can be extended. But, you know, I just think that the, that the early Jupiter squares and Saturn squares are the, they form the building blocks of a child’s life.
00:30:55:06 – 00:31:11:16
Unknown
And if you have more than one child, you know, you can focus on those important ages without neglecting the other ones. I’m not suggesting neglect, you know, the two year olds just because you have a three year old. I’m just saying that, you know, you can prioritize and really make sure that, you know, those building blocks are in alignment,
00:31:11:16 – 00:31:32:17
Unknown
in addition to having open conversation and communication and being aware of these kind of like built in thresholds or rites of passage through time, how else can a parent and or a teacher or a grandparent support children at these critical points?
00:31:32:19 – 00:31:33:09
Unknown
Well, I
00:31:33:09 – 00:31:55:14
Unknown
mean, we live in this modern world where we kind of accept, relationships. I mean, talk about adult relationships, you know, as being something that isn’t worth fighting for or that we give maybe we give in a little bit too easily or we don’t put enough effort into things. But we have to remember that children are very affected by the relationships of their parents.
00:31:55:16 – 00:32:18:06
Unknown
So I do parent preparation classes where, you know, somebody is thinking about getting married. We talk about we kind of anticipate problems that might come up when a child is 13. Not that I’m predicting, you know, terrible things, but I, I am saying that 13 is a challenging year. So let’s say you have a Catholic parent and a parent that grew up in the Salvation Army.
00:32:18:08 – 00:32:43:01
Unknown
One is teetotal, one is not. And you think when they get married to both adults, it doesn’t matter. Your religion doesn’t matter at that age, okay? When a child starts talking about alcohol or they start going to, you know, like christening parties or whatever, and the topic of alcohol comes up. Can I have a sip of wine? The Catholic parent, of course, has used alcohol in religious rituals through communion all their lives.
00:32:43:07 – 00:33:06:11
Unknown
The Salvation Army parent has not. So therefore, this might be an area of contention that could have been resolved had they talked about it before they got married. So I think it’s really important before you commit to having a child, that you have these conversations and, and rethink about our responsibilities. And, you know, it is you know, here I am talking about these these responsibilities.
00:33:06:11 – 00:33:24:17
Unknown
I had a miserable divorce, you know, and I you know, I wish I had taken my own advice back. You know, I wish I could live my life over again. I take my own advice. It’s hard to get young people to take, you know, to listen to this kind of advice because they’re the driven by, you know, a need to, to find love.
00:33:24:19 – 00:33:41:21
Unknown
And they need to live and they need to do things and just because a child turns 18 doesn’t mean they no longer need to parent to their parents. You still have to be there. Any parent will tell you that you never stop being a parent. So, you know, I just think that, Saturn is a thing that never stops, too.
00:33:41:23 – 00:34:12:03
Unknown
You know, we constantly got to keep on top of Saturn and be aware of your weaknesses. So you can build them up. And I think, again, this is where astrology can really be helpful by helping people work with their Saturn. Saturn wants to be worked that it says that it is. Its purpose. And if you can, if you can work with your Saturn, you can graduate your stature, return with honor, with dignity, and not with feeling like something that was messed up or that didn’t work out the way you planned it, or if it did, didn’t work out the way you planned it.
00:34:12:03 – 00:34:28:20
Unknown
At least you can still do something with them that is useful and beneficial. So I think, you know, we always have to go through. You always have to think about the hard part of life. I talk a lot about Jupiter being opportunity. Well, there’s also the other side, which is taking responsibility for the decisions that we make.
00:34:28:22 – 00:34:48:15
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. I do remember being, you know, before I had children, you kind of kind of only picture the really fun things like, yeah, I remember the beautiful memories. And then once you’re a parent, it’s like, oh my God, this is way harder than I ever imagined. And anyone ever told me, although I’m sure they did say it.
00:34:48:15 – 00:35:12:04
Unknown
You just don’t hear it right. Mark Twain said, when my father was one, when I was young, I thought my father was the most ignorant man I’ve ever met. And then he says, but by God, by the time I grew up into a man, I realized my father was a clever man, alive, you know? So it’s like it’s that kind of that kind of thing where, you know, we we always think we know more than our parents.
00:35:12:10 – 00:35:34:00
Unknown
Yeah. And that’s the folly of Jupiter, really. Okay. So Alex, in terms of you just said work your Saturn that Saturn wants to be worked. And when we do that, we can graduate with honors and and to keep that in mind as we’re parenting, do we look at our own Saturn primarily when we’re thinking about our children, or do we look at their Saturn?
00:35:34:02 – 00:35:58:11
Unknown
And or do we look at the interplay between our Saturn and their Saturn? Yes, to all of that. Okay, okay. Yeah. You have to look at Saturn, you know, in your own chart. I mean, you have to be aware, if if you’re an astrologer, that’s your first step, right? Being aware of your Saturn by side house, aspects, transit, progressions aren’t going to move very much, but be aware of where it is in your chart.
00:35:58:16 – 00:36:16:16
Unknown
And what lesson is that you’re supposed to be learning? You know, if you’ve got Saturn moving through your seventh house, maybe better hold on for that, for the for that wedding. Because there might be, you know, a lesson that you need to learn yet, you know, not to be so impatient or to put a bit more work into yourself before you get married.
00:36:16:18 – 00:36:37:16
Unknown
But, you know, you need to be aware of your son. And that’s the first step. When you have children. Okay? There’s a Saturn transit going on there to where does a child fit in to your relationship to marriages? Have Saturn returns to you know, we call it anniversaries, but they still have the same stages of development that that we have as people.
00:36:37:18 – 00:37:04:07
Unknown
You have your Jupiter return anniversary. You have your Jupiter Square anniversary. So your relationship is something that also built on a structure to and, your child’s Saturn to, you know, you had to be aware of that outside their sign, house and aspect and how you can support them by understanding their weaknesses. You can help them, support them and help them, reinforce those weaknesses.
00:37:04:09 – 00:37:09:03
Unknown
And sometimes, as a parent, maybe the biggest lesson is knowing that you can’t do anything.
00:37:09:03 – 00:37:20:08
Unknown
Your child has to learn their own lessons, and they have to make mistakes, and they have to suffer the consequences. And the only thing you do is kind of stand back and let them take those consequences.
00:37:20:08 – 00:37:27:12
Unknown
Because we all know, you know, parents whose children have done something terrible and they try to justify it.
00:37:27:14 – 00:37:50:00
Unknown
And the child comes away with thinking, I just call my mom and she takes care of it for me. You know, we all know that that happens too. So, you know, it’s all about understanding Saturn. And at the end of the day, as we say in England, the ultimate goal is, is to be a good person, to do the right thing, you know, to try your best, not to hurt other people’s feelings.
00:37:50:02 – 00:38:14:23
Unknown
And, and, you know, just to develop your own personality, your own personal, philosophy and to, you know, if you choose to have children, you know, to make sure that you take the responsibility, that the big responsibility it takes to raise that child, really, if, again, I’m not coming from, you know, I don’t mean to sound high handed, like I’ve done everything perfectly, you know, nobody has.
00:38:14:23 – 00:38:41:21
Unknown
And, you know, that’s my that’s my consequence to bear to. Yeah. Okay. Well, Alex, let’s go to the the ethical considerations for astrologers who are looking at charts or considering looking at charts of children. What what do they need to keep in mind? What do they need to be aware of? Where are some of the pitfalls that you’ve seen people fall into, etc.?
00:38:41:23 – 00:39:06:10
Unknown
Okay, I’m going to say something that I think people might find disappointing, but bear with me not explain why. Under no circumstances are you to see any child. I mean under 18, 1 to 1 on your own. Forget about it. Not online. Not, you know, not in a report. Don’t do it. But some people do reports, written reports.
00:39:06:12 – 00:39:33:11
Unknown
And that’s okay if the parent is there because a parent is taking responsibility. Okay. So let’s go down the route. So you have you’re seeing a child 1 to 1 a girl. And she says, you know, I it is just confidential. And you’re an astrologer professional one of course it’s confidential. You know, I won’t tell anybody. And in the course of the consultation, she discloses as a 14 year old girl that she’s pregnant.
00:39:33:11 – 00:39:50:21
Unknown
what are you going to do if this happens? And I hate to be downer on this, this happened. What is an astrologer going to do? You’ve promised your confidentiality. You have no training in child protection. You barely have training in any, you know, from any school and what to do in these circumstances.
00:39:50:21 – 00:40:03:17
Unknown
And you’re dealing with somebody who’s who’s a minor. So let’s say you choose not to do anything. You feel bound by the consequence. You feel bound by confidentiality. So you don’t say this out. Eventually it it comes out
00:40:03:17 – 00:40:16:15
Unknown
But she says, I told my astrologer, oh my God. Okay, so not only is the astrologer and that up to their over their head, the whole entire profession is end up over their head.
00:40:16:19 – 00:40:25:17
Unknown
Well, so that’s a huge problem. So, you know, circumstances wise, if you heard nothing that I’ve said today, please don’t see under 18 on your
00:40:25:17 – 00:40:39:17
Unknown
Let me ask you a question on that. What if prior to the reading, you have both the parental and child’s consent to share any critical information that has that comes up?
00:40:39:19 – 00:40:40:20
Unknown
Thank you for that question.
00:40:40:20 – 00:41:03:03
Unknown
I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, because when the child without a parent tells you their problems, they’ve made you responsible for those problems. If the parent is there with you, the parent is responsible. Now, some people argue with me and I’ve had quite a few arguments with astrologers, which is why I’m so ready with the answer.
00:41:03:05 – 00:41:25:00
Unknown
Okay, you don’t want a child to disclose to you. You don’t want that because you are not trained to know how to deal with it. No, I am trained because I am a teacher. And if you’re a psychologist and if you’ve had all the training you are, you know what to do. And if you wouldn’t have a child 1 to 1 with you under any circumstance anyway, you know, you would know who to call at.
00:41:25:02 – 00:41:27:06
Unknown
The average astrologer doesn’t,
00:41:27:06 – 00:41:41:18
Unknown
Yeah. So it’s really important that you know that the parent takes responsibility. And even if you do see a parent and a child together, you still have to assess whether or not that parent is competent to deal with the problems a child is saying to you.
00:41:41:20 – 00:42:01:24
Unknown
Now, the other thing is that same child can go to a teacher who’s trained to deal with these problems, and they would know what to do. They don’t have to come to an astrologer. They’re coming to an astrologer because they’re hoping that the astrologer will keep their secret. That’s what that’s about. They have school counselors, which I will also say are inadequate.
00:42:02:01 – 00:42:21:17
Unknown
The. But they have they have other avenues to, more robust avenues to take those problems to people who know how to deal with it, rather than coming to the average astrologer who isn’t trained. So you’re saying no, no one on reading, no one on one readings for anyone under the age of 18?
00:42:22:04 – 00:42:43:05
Unknown
And, you know, it doesn’t matter if it’s recorded. It doesn’t it doesn’t matter if you’re 1 to 1 of the child and they come out with an accusation you don’t have, I’d like to stand on them and so but if someone wanted help with their child from an astrological perspective, you’re going to give the reading to the adult.
00:42:43:07 – 00:43:08:15
Unknown
You’re going to sit down with the adult to talk about their role as a parent, etc.. Yeah. I mean, if the if the parent. And then again, this is the parent’s call. If the parent thinks, okay, my child is ready to hear this, you see, that’s the parent taking the responsibility. It’s not the astrologer turning Rosa. Oh no, I only see if only 15 year olds and over the astrologer has said that is the parent taking the responsibility.
00:43:08:17 – 00:43:27:07
Unknown
But I’m definitely saying do not have. Don’t you not do 1 to 1 consultations? Don’t teach classes on your own with, teenagers on your own, you know, don’t don’t do it, you know, have, you know, have someone a least observing and and who can say, you know, you know, vouch for you. Well, in that circumstance
00:43:27:07 – 00:43:35:17
Unknown
you’re just saying don’t take the responsibility. If the, if the child’s under 18 you and it’s just you,
00:43:35:17 – 00:43:43:20
Unknown
you’re the responsible adult in that situation is the parent is there for the reading.
00:43:43:20 – 00:44:09:06
Unknown
That’s one thing. If you’re doing the reading for the parent, for the child, that’s another thing. But you’re saying don’t do a one on one with someone under 18. Yeah okay. Yeah. Don’t don’t don’t do one on one. Yeah I think, I think I agree, I’m a little bit unclear about what you meant by the reading. What the, the adult.
00:44:09:08 – 00:44:28:12
Unknown
I wouldn’t read an adult a parent chart in front of a child, right? I wouldn’t open up. I would open up avenues for the child of the parent to talk. Yes, but if I’m going to say something, you know, to the parent, if I’m going to the parent chart separately, yes, I wish I would have a different approach to if the child is there in front of me.
00:44:28:14 – 00:44:49:17
Unknown
Oh, as well. I don’t mean with the child there. No, I’m saying, I’m saying if a parent is struggling with their child and they want to use astrology to help them with that situation, that’s okay. Right? You’re not you’re not cautioning against that. No, no, I’m for what I’m saying. Know what you’re talking about. No. Yeah, I make I make sure you’re not in overhead.
00:44:49:17 – 00:45:01:13
Unknown
I mean, you know, nobody comes to an astrologer because everything is wonderful. They’re coming to an astrologer because there’s a problem. And and I’m sorry to say this, that some teenagers have really deep problems
00:45:01:13 – 00:45:16:17
Unknown
with self-harming and his anorexia. These are quite specific, difficulties experienced during adolescence. And then the, the problem of,
00:45:16:17 – 00:45:24:17
Unknown
dysmorphia, you know, is a very common problem in adolescence, you know, so you don’t get in over your head either.
00:45:24:17 – 00:45:52:10
Unknown
If you can’t answer a question and be careful about diagnosing things, you know, if you’re not a doctor or not a psychologist, don’t be don’t be diagnosing dyslexia, you know, or something like that. Because, you know, you at the end of day, you don’t know. You don’t know you’re making it astrological. Judgment. And it might be something that the parent really takes on board and maybe, you know, you’re incorrect.
00:45:52:10 – 00:46:14:08
Unknown
And then that’s a really big mistake moving. So for astrologers who have argued with you in the past about you, you said that you’ve had some heated debates. What is their argument for why it would be okay to do a reading for someone under 18? They’re they’re the main argument is, Oh, but a child won’t disclose to you if the parent is there.
00:46:14:10 – 00:46:34:18
Unknown
That’s the main one. Yeah. And some astrologers will say, But I’m a parent and I know and, you know, I know what to do, but they only have 2 or 3 children. Not, you know, not like a teacher who has 50,000 children that have been taken care of, or a psychologist who has a lot. The other one,
00:46:34:20 – 00:46:51:00
Unknown
Oh, it’s not illegal. I never said a word about it being illegal. And, it’s unethical. You know, you’re not. No one’s going to knock on your door and arrest you. That’s not going to happen. But what can happen is, you know, you can get yourself into a lot of trouble that you won’t necessarily be able to recover from.
00:46:51:06 – 00:47:22:16
Unknown
And it also brings the rest of the, of the field of astrology into a lot of difficulties. But these are these are all questions that, you know, really, we should be talking about a lot more. You know, I think a lot of astrologers tend to get in over their heads with problems, you know, how do we deal with someone who’s bereft, you know, how do we deal with grief if you haven’t been through bereavement training, you know, how do we deal with, you know, somebody who, as a eating disorder, you know, how do we define it?
00:47:22:22 – 00:47:40:05
Unknown
You know, so we have to be careful. I think it was Michael Bryant who said to me that the expression is high in your shingle. Be careful how you hang your shingle, because, you know, you, you know, you don’t know the answers to everything. And you, you, you everybody has a specialism, you know, and, you know, stay in your lane.
00:47:40:05 – 00:47:42:21
Unknown
I think this is, you know, my advice.
00:47:42:21 – 00:48:04:20
Unknown
And for people who want to pursue using astrology as a tool, either as a teacher or a parent or as an astrologer, all right. What kind of supplemental education certification, where would you guide them? Where would you say, you know, start here. I’m
00:48:04:20 – 00:48:08:06
Unknown
glad you asked me that too. I happen I hope it’s okay to say this.
00:48:08:06 – 00:48:40:23
Unknown
I do run courses on how to how to work with children’s charts ethically. You know what you can and cannot do with practice. You know. You know, how do we how do we do these charts? Where and where do we draw the line? You know, and we look at our personal sort of, skills, you know, what we what we are willing to take on how to say no, you know, to a problem that we can’t solve, you know, and, you know, being honest, you know, developing our list of resources that we can refer out to you because, you know, if you’re going to be dealing with children, you are going to come
00:48:40:23 – 00:49:01:16
Unknown
across situations that you don’t know what to do with anyway. And, you know, if a child is at school, the school is a wealth of resources for, you know, directing parents, you know, ask a teacher, ask, you know, make an appointment with the school counselor. It’s knowing where to draw that line with astrology. This this, you know, child’s life is too much.
00:49:01:16 – 00:49:21:18
Unknown
It’s at stake. And during adolescence, where all the brain development is happening, there’s a lot of things that are going on that actually kind of leaves a scar, you know, all the way through a person’s life. And so it needs to be dealt with well. And so I think establishing those boundaries, this pattern of our own chart helps us to decide where we draw that line.
00:49:21:20 – 00:49:44:08
Unknown
So my school is called Wahine Academy of Astrology, and I specialize almost exclusively in those kinds of questions for Alex. What are you going to be teaching for the inner Circle when you come in 2026? I am going to be talking about education because it’ll be Gemini season. And, I’ll be talking a little bit about improving communication.
00:49:44:08 – 00:50:05:00
Unknown
I think, and just about how to talk to your child. I think I’ll bring that in. And, I want to do something a little bit of something on siblings. Brothers and sisters, but, yeah. So I think I want to look at relationships with Mercury. Yeah. So this is going to be the Gemini lunation in 2026.
00:50:05:00 – 00:50:26:24
Unknown
And I kind of put you on the spot. I know we have a lot of time before then, but that’s going to be exciting. So I put a lot of thought into it already. Oh good things. Any anything else that you want to share with us Alex, as we’re exploring this topic of astrology and children and, and education and parenting and all these hot topics and adolescence, I mean, I have a 16 and 13 year old.
00:50:26:24 – 00:51:00:13
Unknown
So this is just like, boom, hitting, landing, and astrology has been such an incredible tool for me as a parent. I mean, I lean on it almost daily, I would say in terms of just and it’s not I don’t get overly complex with it, and I don’t always communicate it to them. But in my in the back of my awareness, I am I’m aware of certain placements that that give them certain tendencies that I can support and encourage and help each other understand the other, which is is big.
00:51:00:13 – 00:51:23:21
Unknown
So yeah, it’s been it’s been I mean, the number one thing that I’ve used as a parent and one, how quickly you’re a professional astrologer, you have those skills. Somebody who’s getting stuff off the internet. Yeah. You know, sorry, but it is a little bit scary. Yeah. And just to, you know, to round off, I think astrology is a powerful tool for parents and for teachers.
00:51:23:23 – 00:51:42:02
Unknown
And, I think that we need to find ways that we can use it in a way that is ethical and useful and isn’t just going off something that somebody tweeted or, put on Instagram. I love it could me myself, but, you know, you gotta look at them with the humor that they’re meant. Yes. With what?
00:51:42:02 – 00:52:11:08
Unknown
With what’s with the witch? They’re meant to be taken. Yes. You know, but I do think that astrology is an incredibly powerful tool. And it is my passion to teach astrologers how we can help adolescents navigate the most difficult time of their lives, and parents as well. Why not the child? Yeah. Help guide to children. Yeah. I mean, people often say when we do any episodes on children and astrology that they wish astrology like they wish their teachers had known about astrology.
00:52:11:08 – 00:52:32:18
Unknown
They wish the parents had known about astrology. They wish they had known about astrology growing up, and that it would have just help them understand themselves and help them have a sense of purpose and direction and an awareness of who they are, why they’re here I wish I had it to, yeah, I didn’t have it. You know, when I was, first teaching, I wish I knew, I wish I figured it out earlier.
00:52:32:20 – 00:52:50:24
Unknown
Could I just give a little shout out for my new. Oh, yes. This is why I’m in a purple room. Zeus on the loose is all about Jupiter cycles. And I go all the way, you know, through each stage, each year of a child’s life, from each science perspective. So it’s written, it’s called Zeus on the loose.
00:52:50:24 – 00:53:22:02
Unknown
Unlock your child’s cosmic superpower. I mean, you get advanced orders from my website or in any, any bookstore online. I will put links in the in the description of the episode. When is it officially available? You can get it from my website. Signed, of course. The official the official book launch is the 30th of August here in London at Waterstones, which is a really big thing for astrologers because if you looked at Waterstones, a selection of astrology books isn’t very great.
00:53:22:02 – 00:53:42:09
Unknown
So I’m hoping that you sell books does its job, and opening doors for better astrology books available to the public. Amazing, Alex. And so if you have children, if you have grandchildren, if you’re if you’re a teacher, if you’re any, you know, engaging with children in any way, this would be an incredible asset to have, along the journey.
00:53:42:12 – 00:54:11:13
Unknown
I can’t wait to get mine. Yeah. Thank you for the ride, Alex. Thank you so much for being here. We really look forward to having you in the inner circle in 2026. And just thank you for your obvious dedication, passion, depths, the intelligence with which you’re approaching this topic, which I can tell. I mean, I’ve literally the a level of nuance that you’re bringing to how to work with children.
00:54:11:13 – 00:54:12:22
Unknown
I haven’t heard
00:54:12:22 – 00:54:31:24
Unknown
and this is like, I, you know, I’ve been doing this show for seven years and Astrology Lab is turning ten. So this is or just turned ten. So this is, this is really, really important information, I think, for our community and for anybody who’s engaging with astrology as a tool for our future, future generations.
00:54:32:05 – 00:54:43:17
Unknown
So thank you. All right. Okay, everybody, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. And I will look forward to being with you on the next episode. Take care.
