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- 00:00 – What Is Esoteric Astrology?
A soul-centered approach to astrology and the broader field of the Ageless Wisdom tradition. - 02:13 – Meet Philip Lindsay: A Life Dedicated to the Soul’s Story
Philip shares how his Saturn Return led to a profound pivot into astrology and esoteric teachings. - 04:27 – Exoteric vs. Esoteric Astrology
The difference between personality-based and soul-based astrology — and how the rising sign reflects the soul’s purpose. - 11:01 – Esoteric Rulerships: A New Way to Read the Chart
Exploring the rising sign’s soul-level significance and how esoteric rulers (like Venus for Gemini rising) change interpretation. - 13:51 – Planetary Rays and Their Hidden Influence
An introduction to the Seven Rays, their cosmic origins, and how they shape our personality and soul. - 23:06 – The Esoteric Moon: Veiling Hidden Planets & Past Failures
The Moon as a “prison of the soul,” veiling planets like Vulcan, Neptune, or Uranus — and its role in past planetary evolution. - 30:40 – Humanity’s Soul Awakening in the Age of Aquarius
Why esoteric wisdom is rising now and how global consciousness is shifting from emotional to mental polarization. - 34:13 – Earth’s Role in a Greater Cosmic Being
Our solar system as an evolving heart center and humanity’s part in helping awaken a vast spiritual organism. - 37:23 – Why Rewriting History Matters for the Soul
The importance of correcting humanity’s timeline to understand our spiritual evolution through the ages. - 47:06 – A Message for Seekers in Turbulent Times
The power of group consciousness, spiritual community, and upcoming initiatory events like the 2025 Conclave.
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Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:27:04
Unknown
Esoteric astrology, which some call the science of all sciences, the astrology of the soul. To study esoteric astrology, you have to explore a much broader field called the Ice of wisdom with many different occult subjects. The soul based astrology has a much longer timeline. The horoscope is an interface for the expression of the rays. The sun ray works through the rising sun and the personality ray works of the sun.
00:00:27:09 – 00:00:51:16
Unknown
There’s also a difference in how you interpret the moon. The moon veils the hidden planets. That is fascinating. Every ray, every sun, and every planet is a shadow. With the soul, there is so much mystery. There is so much that we don’t understand and don’t know. There is a particular purpose and plan which the Masters of wisdom, responsible for targeting humanity on.
00:00:51:18 – 00:00:59:15
Unknown
I feel that so many people are waking up to some of these deeper truths. You really do provide an entry point for people to go deeper.
00:00:59:15 – 00:01:17:05
Unknown
Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. Today we’re going to be talking about a subject that we haven’t talked about as much on this podcast, but that I have been fascinated with for years and many of you have requested. So what we’re going to be talking about is
00:01:17:05 – 00:01:19:03
Unknown
esoteric astrology,
00:01:19:03 – 00:01:27:24
Unknown
which some call the science of all sciences, the astrology of the soul, and even the future of astrology
00:01:27:24 – 00:01:31:08
Unknown
As we progress into the Aquarian Age.
00:01:31:08 – 00:01:46:19
Unknown
For those of you who want a deeper understanding of the soul, of your soul and its unfolding story through time, this episode is for you. I have with me today one of the most foremost voices within esoteric astrology, Philip Lindsay.
00:01:46:21 – 00:02:13:13
Unknown
He’s the author and creator of The Hidden History of Humanity, a documentary and book that weaves together insights from Theosophy, the Ageless Wisdom teachings and esoteric astrology to reveal a cosmic narrative of humanity’s origins, purpose, and destiny. It is fascinating. We’re going to talk about it a little bit at the end. It’s available on YouTube for free, and it’s really, really amazing.
00:02:13:13 – 00:02:29:12
Unknown
Philip has been practicing and teaching esoteric astrology for about 40 years. He has 12 books on the subject and Philip, I am so grateful to have you here with us today and I can’t wait to dive in. Thank you for joining the Astrology Podcast.
00:02:29:12 – 00:02:32:08
Unknown
It’s an absolute pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
00:02:32:16 – 00:03:09:01
Unknown
All right. So let’s start with some big picture, big picture topics. Yeah. First of all, curious how did you get to practice esoteric astrology? Why did you make that your focus? Let’s hear a little bit about your story. Well, in 1984, I woke up on my first Saturn return, about the age of 3031, and, decided to start studying astrology, which I had vowed to do ten years previous when I was head of the party and someone was talking about astrology and was very intuitive and tuned in to my whole life.
00:03:09:03 – 00:03:32:12
Unknown
Which she could have not known anything about. And I declared that night that I would I would study astrology seriously one day. I didn’t say anything more about it for another ten years. And then when my, I reversed my lifestyle pretty much overnight in my sudden return, and I remembered what I’d said. So I went to the bookstore to to buy just one good book on astrology.
00:03:32:14 – 00:03:57:24
Unknown
And I spent the whole game in the store, and I walked out at the end of the day with a large box of books to to teach myself astrology, and one of those books was esoteric astrology, which I devoured in the next few years with all the other books I bought all the best authors of the time, you know, from the 20th century, read them all, learned how to do a horoscope by hand because this is before laptop computers or anything like that.
00:03:58:01 – 00:04:27:11
Unknown
And from there I went on to meet other astrologers and groups and so forth and, that my focus was all the time, increase and expanding more interested talk astrology. Yeah. The science, as you said, the, soul centered astrology, as it’s called. And that use a lot of different techniques to personality astrology, as we now call humanistic astrology or mundane astrology.
00:04:27:13 – 00:04:50:14
Unknown
Yeah. Yes. And I am very excited to share with this community some of those key differences, because for some of you, it might really resonate when you hear what Philip has to say about the different perspectives of the placements in your chart and what they might be saying about your soul. So let’s let’s start with esoteric versus exoteric.
00:04:50:16 – 00:05:05:05
Unknown
What do you mean? What do you mean by exoteric astrology versus again, esoteric and I’m purposefully, exaggerating my pronunciation pronunciation. So you all get. Yes. Yes. It’s very good.
00:05:05:05 – 00:05:09:21
Unknown
Eccentric simply means outer and esoteric means inner, broadly speaking,
00:05:09:21 – 00:05:16:20
Unknown
or esoteric also means for for the for the few who, you know, really are into that.
00:05:17:01 – 00:05:19:13
Unknown
Although that might sound a bit expensive,
00:05:19:13 – 00:05:20:02
Unknown
but it
00:05:20:02 – 00:05:26:08
Unknown
esoteric is basically, you know, as in soul and esoteric outer as in personality.
00:05:26:09 – 00:05:44:00
Unknown
So most astrology as we know in the last couple of hundred years is personality astrology. And there are many to esoteric astrologers who who can be soul centered and intuitive and tap into the sole purpose, without knowing esoteric astrology.
00:05:44:00 – 00:06:09:14
Unknown
But esoteric astrology gives you a different view. And one of the main tools is the rising sun, which is determined by the time of the session. In which the soul chooses. And that’s why it’s called the sun of possibility. Potential that can be unfolded in a black box as opposed to the sun of probability, which is the sun sign and which denotes the sign that that’s.
00:06:09:14 – 00:06:48:17
Unknown
So this incarnating in the previous lot. And so the soul chooses that sunshine again to incarnate back into, to preserve the thread between each lifetime. So in a stroke astrology, the the personality, the the sun sign represents the personality, the threefold lower self mental, emotional, physical. And when we leave any incarnation, we we have stored in the so-called, permanent atoms of each of those bodies, all the memories of that last and other lives that the soul draws upon.
00:06:48:17 – 00:07:10:14
Unknown
Again, when I incarnate, in that same sun. Sun. So it draws upon the memory and those terms of atoms, as we call them, naturalism. And then it so chooses the correct monster incarnate back in again, and then it chooses the exact moment to get the correct rising sign. Ideally speaking, not in all cases, of course.
00:07:10:14 – 00:07:31:00
Unknown
Okay, so this is obviously a big shift for a lot of people to think of the sun sign and as kind of like your thread from past lives that that’s more personality based and influencing, whereas the rising sign is more your soul’s path, your soul’s destiny.
00:07:31:02 – 00:07:32:06
Unknown
It actually it
00:07:32:06 – 00:08:01:04
Unknown
reverses the exoteric astrology perspective. The rising sign is like the Jane Avery book. You know, the the 12 signs of the Zodiac. She goes through. Very accurate. People will say, is that like the mass, and therefore the personality that and that the sun sign is the spirit, but it reverses that in esoteric astrology. And and it makes a lot of sense when you when you do understand the broader field of esoteric system.
00:08:01:06 – 00:08:27:01
Unknown
We’re not sure. Is it. And it’s like an atom and people are probably going, what the hell is the term of that? And but and, and also the fact that to study esoteric astrology, you have to explore a much broader field called basis wisdom, with many different occult subjects and all different kinds of things camera, reincarnation, telepathy, the angelic teen boom, so many different things.
00:08:27:01 – 00:08:57:07
Unknown
And I have a whole ageless Wisdom course that’s on YouTube now. That goes for 40 weeks or 40 classes that I used to do once a week. That people can, can, sign up for if they want. And so to study a centric astrology, you really need that kind of background. Plus also the exoteric astrology background, which is just the fundamentals of astrology the houses, the spines, the planets, and knowing all those keywords and so forth, and how to do that to chart.
00:08:57:08 – 00:09:17:09
Unknown
So you need at least 1 or 2 years of that under your belt before you jump into esoteric astrology. So some people have just jumped into the deep end, into a static astrology and got something wrong. So that that’s an ideal as far as the education process is concerned, with just letting us to track astrology. Yeah, yeah.
00:09:17:09 – 00:09:54:06
Unknown
Philip, question for you. Is it accurate to say that the sun is our personality? Is is our personality in this lifetime? So. And when you say personality astrology, maybe what we’re expressing in this particular lifetime and what we came here to express in this particular lifetime, whereas the soul based astrology has a much longer timeline and it’s it’s looking at the unfolding characteristics of the soul, or maybe even a soul group throughout many different incarnations.
00:09:54:06 – 00:10:23:08
Unknown
Is that is that accurate to say? Broadly speaking. But I could be very specific about 3 or 4 different things. You said that, because the personality, you know, we are threefold personalities mental body, emotional body, etheric physical body. So these are the subtle body that compose the threefold personality. And we all have integration to do in all of those bodies, which can be mirrored in the horoscope.
00:10:23:10 – 00:11:01:05
Unknown
You know, as far as integration, like a, some square mass, for instance, may have a lot to do with integration within the astral body or the emotional body. The challenge to, to, to, to resolve that, that triumphs there. The tension of that square. So. When you practice esoteric astrology and do readings, you have to bridge both esoteric and esoteric astrology, you know, and we have, very different, many different techniques besides the rising sign in the sunshine.
00:11:01:07 – 00:11:36:12
Unknown
We have esoteric rules and esoteric world. So, for instance, if you’re a Gemini Rising, which represents your soul purpose in any given lifetime, then you look at Mercury by Sun House and aspect to see how that qualifies where the mercury is placed. It might be facing cancer, for instance, squaring or opposing, say, Saturn in Capricorn. So that particular pattern would be one step on the way to, to, developing very, very specific, very unique Gemini arising.
00:11:36:12 – 00:12:11:04
Unknown
So purpose expression. Yeah. Then you would look at the esoteric world, which is Venus, which brings together the pairs of opposites upon the mental plane, because Gemini has a very dualistic sign. You look at Venus, my son, house and aspect, to determine the, the qualifying energies that that gestalt represents and how that how that, qualifies the Gemini Ascendant, because of this is the sole ruler, of course, is the highest ruler of of the sun.
00:12:11:04 – 00:12:42:08
Unknown
So it had Venus. And, you know, Gemini Rising person’s case would be extremely important. This place on the chart. But the esoteric ruler is almost as important in some ways to. So if a person is sufficiently unfolded, they will work mainly through the you know, the average humanity usually works through the sun sign or the moon sign, or even just in the houses or house to the areas of life experience that’s sort of very basic and awakened humanity.
00:12:42:10 – 00:13:02:21
Unknown
But when you’re starting to wake up and responding to the higher ruler ships, the, the the poles carry, like Venus, just the ruler of Librium Taurus, as we know, but as the esoteric ruler of Gemini, it’s working on a different frequency. A higher, higher vibration that you like as a person sufficiently unfolded and sensitive to that.
00:13:02:23 – 00:13:51:09
Unknown
Then they will respond to. And then just to finish off you, you, we the astrology is the science of the ship. And. Right. This is inextricably intertwined with that science. And so you have planets that rule signs, but planets also real rates. So for instance, Venus is the ruler of the fifth ray of knowledge or science. This took a short segment is regarded as a mental energy, whereas in esoteric astrology it’s a far more astral or emotional interpretation of the goddess of sex and love and and beauty, which, you know, so there’s a Turk interpretations too, but that’s the general kind of level that most of humanity respond to at that
00:13:51:09 – 00:14:22:24
Unknown
astral level. Yeah. The beauty that is created by the resolving of appears above sits on the mental plane in Gemini, filters down to the astral plane as as Venus, as the goddess of sex and allows and relationships. Of course, you know with a true worshipers of Libra. This this is a very general explanation. Of course, I don’t want to to, create any kind of information overload for the listeners, of this, but it’s one example.
00:14:23:01 – 00:14:46:10
Unknown
Well, it’s great, Philip, because a lot of, of our audience has been studying astrology for at least two years. I mean, many have been studying it for most of their life. So any of you who feel like you, you want to get into a deeper level of understanding as astrology is changing in this time, you know, as we are changing, as our consciousness is expanding and you’re wanting more.
00:14:46:14 – 00:14:59:19
Unknown
What I love about this, Philip, is that it builds upon what so many people already understand about astrology, and it’s just taking it to another octave, another layer, another level. I do have.
00:14:59:19 – 00:15:13:23
Unknown
Would you be able to just briefly walk us through the rulers and how they are different in esoteric astrology? Sure. That I think kind of suggest that we look at just a bit more on the rise.
00:15:13:23 – 00:15:33:09
Unknown
But yeah, just touched on that. Yes. Because it’s so intriguing to, to esoteric astrology is, is is actually the astrology of the right. Yeah. I like that. The understanding of where they’re sitting right is come from and that it’s quite a basic concept for a lot of people. Yeah.
00:15:33:09 – 00:15:38:22
Unknown
So they’re usually in my, talks and webinars and so forth.
00:15:38:22 – 00:16:04:06
Unknown
I start out in the, in the macrocosm and work my way down to the microcosm. So the summarize, emanations that come from seven so-called solar systems, of which ours is one in which other well known constellations like the Great Bear. I’m serious. Part of it. So it’s like a cosmic being called the one about whom may be said.
00:16:04:08 – 00:16:40:12
Unknown
It’s an interesting term. Not because we should whisper in hushed tones about it. That because we have no real conception of what that is. So. And there are many of these cosmic things in the universe that this is our local backyard, some space. So our solar system is is speculated to be the at awakened heart center of the seven solar system, because they all represent chakras within the body of this great beings and as above, so below, the great big, and serious and the Pleiades are the major triangle within those seven solar systems.
00:16:40:14 – 00:17:23:07
Unknown
And they’re role evolving entities. They’re all evolving cosmic beings. So the through their evolution, there’s an emanation coming from there constantly, which is essentially the source of the right. So the seven rays have their origin, including our solar system. Two, of course. They have their origin in those seven solar systems, and they’re brought fast from this conditional triangle of the great big Sirius and the Pleiades, 37 stars of the look at their and through the gateway of our sun, or what we call the solar logos, and through the various planets in our solar system, act as vehicles or transmitters of those rays through the Earth.
00:17:23:07 – 00:17:48:04
Unknown
Solar and and so there you have your source to choose the the target that you are. I must not just humanity, but all kingdoms in nature that the race Commission. And so there are cities and countries that are ruled by race and zodiac signs, and that’s a whole other area that I explore in my discriminations. And races books.
00:17:48:05 – 00:18:20:08
Unknown
And of course, the humanity with this seven chakras are receiving stations for these ray energies. We, receive this in transmitters, of course, of these these energies and those rays find their way to us and influence us through the through, receiving stations, if you like. How does one determine what it’s. So as I understand it, we are made up of several different rays, and we have dominant rays, we have personality rays, we have soul rays.
00:18:20:08 – 00:18:50:10
Unknown
We have how how do you look at a chart, for example, and determine what the ray makeup is of an individual? You can’t determine it from the horoscope. The horoscope is simply an interface to the expression of the known and intuitive right. So you have to study the rays. And then a couple of Ballsbridge books here. Mr. Manley Richards from a Tibetan who wrote esoteric astrology through their art and a series of 24 books.
00:18:50:12 – 00:19:07:16
Unknown
You have two volumes called Esoteric Psychology one and two, which is all about the right. And so that’s and there are other people who have got books on the rays as well, so you can study it, and then you have to reflect on it, and you have to maybe try a ray on from that guy might be on the x ray emotional body.
00:19:07:22 – 00:19:38:15
Unknown
Let’s see how, I can observe myself for the next four weeks. And in terms of my interaction with other people and so forth, maybe on this, second Ray a soul or a third Ray. So maybe after first Ray personality, you have the first ray that will will power real power, which is ruled by Pluto and Vulcan, appropriately, you have the second ray of love wisdom, which is the most common soul Ray, the indigo ray, and, the most common ray.
00:19:38:17 – 00:19:58:03
Unknown
So being a killer or teacher ruled by Jupiter and the sun appropriate. But again, you have the third ray of active intelligence, the green ray, which is ruled by Saturn and the Earth. In fact, because the Earth is important and esoteric as well, it’s always exactly opposite the sun. Then a horoscope and so on and so on.
00:19:58:03 – 00:20:18:19
Unknown
And so these rays have cycles, and we’re just entering into a seventh ray cycle, the Ravens ceremonial order of magic. And we’re just coming out of a very, very long x ray cycle, the ray of devotion and idealism, which is one of the rays that was dominant in the age of Pisces and in fact, comes through that sign passes.
00:20:18:21 – 00:20:42:05
Unknown
So we, literally all at sixes and sevens with ourselves at the moment is one Ray is fading out and another Ray is coming in, and that Ray is ruled by Uranus, the seventh ray. And so my new order of magic, the ray of organization. And, yours is also the rule of Aquarius. And so it’s a cycle of 2500 years of Uranus.
00:20:42:07 – 00:21:11:04
Unknown
This go to, overlap the 2150 year precession cycle of Aquarius, which is is quite apt. And, appropriate. Yeah. Is there any correlation between your, your ray ology and your chart? Like, you know, if I’m. Yes. For example, I have a lot of Saturn in my chart. Would that indicate anything in terms of my Ray logical makeup?
00:21:11:06 – 00:21:12:08
Unknown
Well, yeah.
00:21:12:08 – 00:21:35:02
Unknown
If you don’t have a particular ray, certain placements of planets and signs can help you evoke that. Right? So we can we can have our own personal ray structure, but we can stray outside those boundaries as well. Saturn is the ruler of the third ray objective intelligence. But the the horoscope is simply an interface to the for the expression of the rays.
00:21:35:02 – 00:21:57:24
Unknown
The soul ray works through the rising sun and the personality ray works with the sun again. You have this personality, Ray. Sunshine being a personality, which is for the sunshine. So it’s it’s not easy to ascertain. Alright. So those of us who’ve been working through the decades now with Ray still have 100% certain of our ray structure and, you know, few people who are.
00:21:58:01 – 00:22:23:02
Unknown
And that doesn’t include me. So we all have, I have about three ray structure, hypotheses that I worked with over the years is, sometimes if you’re a certain ray combination, it’s very easy to relate to all the rage, which can make anything difficult. This. So you can have up to five rays in your, in your makeup.
00:22:23:04 – 00:22:41:09
Unknown
But when I do a horoscope, most people who come to me for reading do not know their race. I can send them to my website and go through some tables on the race to to see what they identify with. And they may say, oh, I think I like 2 or 3 of four, you know, that, they’re not certain where they are.
00:22:41:11 – 00:23:06:08
Unknown
And, I don’t expect them to know that because it takes years to to study the race properly, which is a daunting prospect for a lot of people in this age of, information overload. So, but I still trying to apply the techniques of, the rising shine and, the eccentric and esoteric rules. So that alone gives a lot of information.
00:23:06:10 – 00:23:37:20
Unknown
It gives much more information. Know. Right. There’s also a difference in how you interpret the moon. So I would love to talk about that a little bit. Well, the the the moon is an interesting story. A satirically, in my I just wisdom course of talk about the, you know, of the moon shine and in this relates to my hidden history work as well, because the earth is not just one planet in space, it has 49 different incarnations of a millions or billions of fact years.
00:23:37:22 – 00:24:08:14
Unknown
We are half way through the so-called, Earth change, series of incarnations. We still have another 24, 25 to go, and we are only halfway through this so-called globe period. So, but the previous slide was the so-called moon chat or the excuse me, the previous chain was the so-called moon chat, and the moon change was a failure in terms of the evolution and all the life, spiritual life that inhabited it had to be withdrawn.
00:24:08:16 – 00:24:41:13
Unknown
And, and in fact, the one we called soul or the soul logos had to basically interfere and shut it down. The reasons are given in my, in my books and in my, it’s a video that essentially was a, premature merging of various forces that way. And, and so the moon changed souls, the ones who had individualized in the moon chat time conscious, evolving humans, had to be held over.
00:24:41:13 – 00:25:07:24
Unknown
And a long list state, and they came back in on this earth changed, evolution, became ancient Lemurian times, which is what I cover in my hidden history to Humanity Works. And, that we have two streams of evolution. We have the earth changed souls and the moon changed. So yes, the moon has souls are far more developed mentally.
00:25:08:01 – 00:25:34:04
Unknown
And but now the earth changed. Souls have somewhat caught up, and equilibrium and equilibrium has been achieved in terms of mental development. So that that’s destroying a little bit from the from the esoteric astrology theme, obviously. But just to, just to pick the interest of, show the, the viewers. Yeah. That that’s a huge part of my work.
00:25:34:06 – 00:26:06:03
Unknown
That’s to me is inextricably entwined with, the start of astrology, because I’m looking at these vast cycles of the universe like the Kali Yuga, the Saturn years and so forth, and the youngest themselves, the cycle of the years. And based upon the procession cycle 2150 years, times two is four three, two zero is the magic cipher magic number that is the foundation of all the Yuga cycles over this immense period of time.
00:26:06:05 – 00:26:37:18
Unknown
So, but just to finish off on that hidden history theme, my my work is about reestablishing correct chronology in human history, which is far older than what we say. So with that said, the moon sign and esoteric astrology is. Oh, yes, sorry, prison of the soul. So this is this is a really interesting concept, just a little bit more about it, because there was not a spiritual last, the always spiritual siege of life was was withdrawn from the moon.
00:26:37:20 – 00:27:04:08
Unknown
It’s a dead planet. It has a biological effect on us in a and an emotional effect. So now allow a vehicle, okay, with the tides, it’s reproduction, the seasons and the cycles each month and all that kind of stuff. But it has no, no, no soul, literally. But we’re told. And so it actually represents what they call the dweller on the threshold or the shadow, as it’s called in Jung in psychology.
00:27:04:10 – 00:27:35:22
Unknown
And so we all have a moon, and we all have a shadow and, their positive attributes, of course, to learn. And there’s the shadow side, and we’re told, esoteric astrology, that the moon veil was a hidden planet. Vulcan, Neptune or Uranus, depending on the intuition of the astrologer. So if I see an aspect, you know, Vulcan is about eight degrees on the side of the sun when you’re still not really sure of the ephemeris for that planet.
00:27:36:03 – 00:28:02:21
Unknown
But we do know it exists. And, if I see an aspect to Neptune or Uranus, Springsteen’s like a trine or a square or something like that, then I might nominate that planet as the one being powered by the moon, and therefore would have, considerable importance. Chickpea for a Virgo rising. Because the moon is the esoteric ruler, it’s like a.
00:28:02:23 – 00:28:26:16
Unknown
So you can look at Mercury’s past, the placement of the horoscope in terms of, that person’s the guy rising person. So purpose. But then you look at the moon, of course, by and by sign house and aspect. Because then you have to determine what the moon veil. And so, Vulcan, Neptune or yours, you should. Sure.
00:28:26:18 – 00:29:03:03
Unknown
And I’m I’m still not right. Yeah. I’m kind of halfway there myself in terms of figuring that out. The horoscope sometimes I’m really certain other times are just I’m not. Is it? Is it that the moon is veiling something in every horoscope, or only if it’s making particular aspects? Now, in every horoscope and every. Yeah, but but so an awakened humanity, though it wouldn’t, touch them that be just a member and moon sign and the esoteric interpretation about and and is there any ability to.
00:29:03:04 – 00:29:32:12
Unknown
So for example, my moon is Gemini. Would you would you interpret that as taking sort of the shadow aspects of Gemini? And can you simply say that if I’m expressing the shadow aspects of the Gemini, that that is a prison for my soul in a way, like my soul expression? Yes, absolutely. Wow. Yeah, that is fascinating. So, you know, every ray, every sign and every planet as a shadow has a lower expression and a higher expression.
00:29:32:12 – 00:29:57:17
Unknown
And sometimes I’m a midway expression. So I mean, yeah, it’s okay. What about why do you believe or do you believe. And I want to assume that the soul and this. Well, one of the things I was thinking about earlier is anytime I’ve been exposed to esoteric astrology, I have that thought of this is not for anyone who wants instant gratification.
00:29:57:21 – 00:30:40:21
Unknown
This is not for anybody who wants, like, the answers clearly now, because what you really beautifully illuminated is that with the soul there is so much mystery, there is so much that we don’t understand and don’t know. And maybe that’s by design. Maybe that’s just the way that it needs to be. But do you see, as we are shifting both from the sixth and seventh Ray, but then also from the age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius, that the the story of the soul or interest in the soul or importance of the soul is going to continue to rise and why do you think that is?
00:30:40:23 – 00:31:06:07
Unknown
If you do think that is? Well, because people are awakening and understanding for the first time that they are souls. I have to be very careful how I say that phrase that, the it’s is that the most people and the majority of humanity still think that we just have one last and that’s it, and that we’re not evolving consciousness as souls incarnating over thousands of lifetime.
00:31:06:09 – 00:31:40:09
Unknown
And this is again, why the the importance of the hidden history of humanity and the evolving consciousness that is a should. The root rises of the mirror leads us to this present route, right? So, so important. So, and we’ve seen in the last hundred years in the two world wars, and also in the last few years, since 2020, many millions waking up and moving from the, the, the message thinking consciousness to more individualized, independent thinking.
00:31:40:11 – 00:32:06:18
Unknown
And this is very encouraging and is part of the plan, we are all evolving as souls to eventual liberation will become enlightened and and happy liberation. And then, when that happens, right. You can see the soul is like souls within the body, you know, it’s the being retold. The planetary lugger being who who’s this planet is that being spotted, you know.
00:32:06:22 – 00:32:42:08
Unknown
And so, and that being is seeking initiation and expansion of consciousness on its level. And so when humanity, get to a, a, a critical, a critical mass of unfoldment, then that being will take another initiation. Initiation, of course, is one of the sub sciences of this jerk. Astrology, the science of initiation. Well, where we go through the various phases of awakening to the through the sense of soul of the first initiation, also called the cross consciousness or Lord Maitreya.
00:32:42:10 – 00:33:09:07
Unknown
And then the next two initiations, the second initiation in particular. This is one of the most difficult to take and take many incarnate to, to master the the mastery of the astral, the emotional body. Because we’ve been so emotionally polarized, the millions of years since ancient aren’t in time. And so and it’s estimated that about 80% of the capacity of humanity, still polarized asteroid.
00:33:09:09 – 00:33:44:18
Unknown
But we’ve got a critical mass of about 20%, maybe 25% now, who are far more mentally developed and mentally polarized. And so we go through these various initiations and we can become a master of wisdom at the fifth degree initiation, which is a one way hit for all of us, of course. But, so this information is being given out through through by the Tibetan master to our schools, through Alice Barrett and that series of books, but also by capacity through the sacred doctrine that committed late 19th century.
00:33:44:20 – 00:34:13:04
Unknown
And, and I based my student history work on her writings, but part of the reason for for contacting the privacy was to let you know that they existed, and they watch over and, watch over humanity and guide their evolution, but don’t interfere in the free will of humanity. So important distinction you this that’s the spiritual role.
00:34:13:04 – 00:34:32:19
Unknown
I’d love to go to a little bit more about the hidden history of humanity in a in a minute, but can we circle back to something you said a while ago? Because it really piqued my interest, and I’m sure others as well. Something about the heart chakra of the being of which we are a part of. Oh, yes.
00:34:32:21 – 00:35:03:20
Unknown
Being, needing to be awakened. That it is. It is an, it is an awakened and we are playing some sort of role and actually helping that heart chakra awaken. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Well, our solar system is one of the seven solar systems, is speculated to be the heart to the as yet an awakened heart center of the one about whom nobody maybe said okay, and the Earth plays a critical role at this stage in history.
00:35:03:20 – 00:35:38:20
Unknown
But all the planets in the solar system are part of the corporate body of the solar logo. So they’re all important as well. And not all of them have reached a spiritual revolution. There are so-called seven sacred planets and five non sacred planets, of which ours is one. Pluto is another one, for instance. So when humanity, get to a point of expanding their consciousness and, and this planetary logos, logos can take initiation, then that will actually light up the whole solar system specifically.
00:35:38:22 – 00:35:48:07
Unknown
It could it could really trigger the awakening of the of our solar system through the heart center as the center within the body of that great a corporate being.
00:35:48:07 – 00:36:08:20
Unknown
that is amazing to me. I mean, the reason why I feel it’s such an intersection of so many different wisdom paths that are all leading people back to the awareness of the heart, the intelligence of the heart, the, the consciousness that is a bridge between the mind and the heart.
00:36:08:22 – 00:36:35:02
Unknown
And to hear that it’s also tied into this bigger body of which were a part of it, just makes me feel even more confident that that is such an important place for us to focus right now as we move into the future. Is this part intelligence and heart wisdom? In fact, the, this solar system is the second of three incarnations.
00:36:35:04 – 00:36:59:18
Unknown
There was one before this one with the same planets involved billions of years ago. And there’s another one to come after this solar system. But essentially the main three rays are being expressed in these three solar systems. In the third first solar system, the active intelligence, the third round of active intelligence was developed. And then this solar system is the second ray of wisdom.
00:36:59:20 – 00:37:22:21
Unknown
So in a sense, as the very substance, the plasma, the electrical plasma of the solar system is second, right? Love, wisdom, energy. And the next solar system will be developing. The first rain and shear will out, which is eons away. But, you know, just to give you a taste of kind of the the larger cycles of in play,
00:37:22:21 – 00:37:23:22
Unknown
let’s touch on.
00:37:23:22 – 00:37:55:02
Unknown
So I watched Philip’s 2.5 hour documentary on the hidden history of humanity. It is so fascinating. I highly encourage you to check it out. But Philip, why do you feel it’s important for us to understand the truth about our history as humanity? And what what benefit do you think that brings to us here and now? Because we don’t have a real idea about our history.
00:37:55:05 – 00:38:26:01
Unknown
Why are we here? Hey, because we realize that we are souls incarnating and developing consciousness over an extraordinarily long period of time. And, because we’ve been so culturally conditioned by religion and esoteric science to believe that we, we’re only 6000 years older in the biblical sense. You know, the the 4004 BC is the is the, usual date given.
00:38:26:03 – 00:39:07:14
Unknown
And and so exoteric science has been influenced by, Christianity in that respect, traditional Christianity and traditional timelines. And I have a, in this, my website that I always recommend people to reach for. They watch the documentary and it’s called something like, Great reassessing technology and world history or something like that. And, and, talk about how Darwin, and, and the scientist, the 19th century influenced our thinking about evolution, how Bishop Usher came up with the date of 4004 BC.
00:39:07:16 – 00:39:39:09
Unknown
But in my work on hidden history, which is also called the, Unveiling Genesis Mysteries of the Races and cycles, I look at all the dates in Genesis and interpret them. To interpret them is a Charlie from the point of view of the yogurts, because of all that stuff in Genesis about the, you know, Methuselah living to 969 years and and all the other ones that they are all by so-called Hindu monarchs, which, representatives of different races and sub races that set the tone for those.
00:39:39:09 – 00:40:03:05
Unknown
But so the evolution of consciousness in any particular racial stream over an extraordinarily long period of time, and they always races and surprises overlap each other. So we’re not talking many a time. We’re talking spiral like time. You, which is a whole different concept. So, that’s why it’s a talk astrologers is so connected to in history work.
00:40:03:07 – 00:40:23:18
Unknown
I’m not sure whether I answered your question now. I can’t remember the exact. Well, why is it important? I mean, I understand because we don’t have a concept of our real history. Yeah, and we don’t have a concept of being souls and and human form unfolding over thousands of lifetimes. But what, what else do you think is the ascent?
00:40:23:22 – 00:40:53:21
Unknown
Why do you feel it’s essential that we do understand our history? What is it? How does it help us live better, more consciously, etc.? But it answers the proverbial question why are we here? Yeah. What are we doing here? Who are we? Where did we come from? Where are we going to? And we have been part of other evolutions in other planetary change before this Earth channel, because we’re not just souls, we’re actually monads or spirits.
00:40:53:21 – 00:41:17:01
Unknown
We have the three folks. So we had the spiritual monad. The incarnation uses the soul as its vehicle, and the soul uses a personality in each succeeding incarnation to work through it. So eventually, when we work out through the higher initiations, the causal body of the soul is actually destroyed and we become one with the with the net.
00:41:17:03 – 00:41:42:04
Unknown
And so we’re talking someone at the level, the Ramana maharshi or Yogananda or Jesus. Read about what we call the fourth initiation, which is called the Great Renunciation as well. So we’re all working towards that goal. That’s the goal of humanity, where they can decide once they get to that point, they can decide what works, the seven cosmic paths they can embark upon.
00:41:42:04 – 00:41:52:01
Unknown
After that, we have a choice. And apparently most, most, of humanity will choose the fourth path to the star series.
00:41:52:01 – 00:42:22:07
Unknown
Okay, can we talk about series a little bit and, well, the the when we individualized back in Liberia 21 not many years ago. Cause of what is where we’re part of the animal kingdom before individualization. And we became human when there was a great asthe and most of the animal kingdom was destroyed, including the humans who were part of the animal kingdom that they reincarnated.
00:42:22:09 – 00:42:53:16
Unknown
This is in a particular cycle that was set up cosmically, so to speak. They reincarnated and and had individual causal bodies, individual souls. And that’s when human evolution, the evolution of consciousness began back at that time and continued through the other route races over all those millions of years. So, I cannot think elastic through the original question, but essentially, you know, where it comes from.
00:42:53:18 – 00:43:00:19
Unknown
So, what about series? Because you said most of humanity will choose the fourth path, which is, to serious and and
00:43:00:19 – 00:43:40:10
Unknown
that’s why so many monuments and pyramids and so forth are aligned to that star. We have the dugong tribe of Africa who have all this information about about Sirius, the on Sirius system. Sirius, a, B, and C, in fact, these astronomers didn’t even know, and, they brought that information, probably from Egypt at some point, ancient Egypt, because we’re not talking like 4000 years ago for Egypt, which is the most even for the so-called alternative archeologists, they don’t stray much from the esoteric science.
00:43:40:12 – 00:44:14:10
Unknown
Egypt was settled with that 800,000 years ago, and the damn about 1.2 million years ago in my chronology that I use and that were that they would be preservers of the ancient wisdom for many hundreds of thousands of years. So that’s to give you a taste of kind of how the races, and the Hindu race, for instance, is about a million years old, and it’s the basis of all the Western races, Ming, all the Western sub races that came from the, the Hindu base.
00:44:14:12 – 00:44:33:06
Unknown
But it’s saying it in a it’s kind of out of context saying these things because, I’m not giving you any other background to that. So people will go, well, this just sounds like a fantasy. So probably we should concentrate on the esoteric astrology. Yes, yes, I know these these, paths, these other tendrils are very fascinating to me.
00:44:33:06 – 00:45:00:02
Unknown
And I don’t know about all of you, but there’s certain words or ideas that have a resonance when you say them. Philip. For me, I, I’ve met so many people who have a, illogical or, you know, no, no story for their connection to Sirius, for example, or Lemuria or, even some of the, some of the ideas around being a cell or being a part of a bigger body.
00:45:00:02 – 00:45:21:04
Unknown
I remember contemplating on that at a very young age, just having this like, what if were what if were just a little part of a bigger body? And I’ve heard other people say the same thing. So it’s almost as if any, if any of this kind of hits one of those chords within you, there’s there’s something to look deeper into.
00:45:21:06 – 00:45:44:23
Unknown
And Philip is giving us like the very, very, very tiny, tiniest tip of the iceberg because his work is so deep and researched and, and and based on years and years and years of study. And so he goes very deep. And so this, you know, we’re giving you tiny taste. But the reason why I like to do it is because I feel that so many people are waking up to some of these deeper truths.
00:45:45:00 – 00:46:07:13
Unknown
They don’t necessarily know why, they don’t know where to go deeper. But you really do provide an entry point for people to go deeper. And so that’s why I love bringing it up. You know, Gemini I mean, lots of to with doc, you know. Yes. Connecting the dots and an Aquarius rising. So this is, I, I am fascinated by all this.
00:46:07:15 – 00:46:39:08
Unknown
Philip is if there was anything that you could say to our community of I would call very heart centered seekers, there’s a very curious, awake, aware, interested, wanting to know more and wanting to go deeper. What would you say to them at this particular moment in time when there’s so much turbulence, there’s so much, you know, seeming seeming chaos and and polarization?
00:46:39:10 – 00:47:06:24
Unknown
Is there anything that you can offer to people? I think, to understand the nature of Aquarius, the sign we’re going into just all about community and people coming together. And, that’s the key. I think that you’re not powerless as an individual, after working by yourself, that other people are on the same path as yourself and the coming together online or likely in your physical communities is the key to survival.
00:47:06:24 – 00:47:45:05
Unknown
And to Richmond, expansion of consciousness and then group meditations and things like that. That can take it even further, because we all have a part to play in part of the so-called planetary plan, the, the, the objective of the planetary logos, there is a particular purpose and plan which the masses of wisdom, responsible for, for God and humanity on and I think I told you before, but, we’re coming to a point in the next few days and the 12th of May, the tourist full moon.
00:47:45:05 – 00:48:19:23
Unknown
Taurus. Scorpio, full moon, which is also called the Reset Festival, which is the most esoteric spiritual festival of the year because the being the call, the planetary logos links up with the Masters of wisdom, with all the disciples and aspirants of all the ashrams, because you have different Ray masters that will have a different ashrams. And the Buddha returns, sometimes on an annual basis, because he has left this planetary, evolution, and the one we call the Christ who holds the office of the Christ, they meet every year.
00:48:19:23 – 00:48:48:12
Unknown
So it’s a great big. So what’s the year celebration? But it’s much more a math this shit because it’s also speculated by me, at least to be the time of the of 2025, when they have the Centennial Complex, where the masses of wisdom and the Christ meet with the bang we call Melchizedek, we’ll set a kumara is also called the Lord of the world is the personality expression of our so-called planetary logos.
00:48:48:14 – 00:49:09:05
Unknown
And so this is this is momentous. This is a 100 year meeting that they happen. And in the next week was a may, the 12th, which is usually a two and a half days on the side. So about a five day period for any full learned very well. So it’s always a time of alignments, for individuals and groups, to, to connect.
00:49:09:05 – 00:49:38:08
Unknown
Because what happens is the basic of, I believe you say preaching and refining of the planetary plan according to what has unfolded in the previous year after, goals that the Masters of Wisdom set into in under the greatest structure of the planetary plan. And, they may have been rich, they may not have been reached. And so the plan is tweaked somewhat, at the best for every year.
00:49:38:10 – 00:50:02:15
Unknown
But this year, it’s even more special, not just a once in a century conclave, but it’s the the conclave according to the outstanding teachings that they will announce when the masses of wisdom will come up. Come on, come out amongst humanity again, which has not happened for millions of years, literally since the ancient days of Atlantis. Grow a little something.
00:50:02:17 – 00:50:11:07
Unknown
So, and and so there’s a book with the blue books, as we call them.
00:50:11:07 – 00:50:26:20
Unknown
One of the books is called the Externalization of Hierarchy. The masses of wisdom are called the hierarchy. Bin laden being or the Great White Brotherhood. And, it gives it says a lot about about this day to 2025.
00:50:26:20 – 00:50:50:22
Unknown
And I’ve written a lot of this science and articles on my website, and you can find as well esoteric astrologer.org, and so it will be an externalization of only the workers in the ashrams, so to speak. And, and then the masses themselves will take physical bodies. These are highly absorbing beings who have not been incarnate for a long time.
00:50:50:24 – 00:51:21:08
Unknown
You can imagine the sacrifice that this would require. Then the one who holds the office of the Christ, the one who overshadowed Jesus 2000 years ago, will appear himself. And so we’re we’re all getting glimpses of this already the last several years, and we’ll get even more as the next two years unfold. And one of the great, signs of of of the the Christ returning.
00:51:21:10 – 00:51:52:20
Unknown
Maybe the fact that that going into, Aries Neptune being esoteric in the name of the Christ, we’re told and areas, of course, being the lamb, the Lamb of God. So Neptune in Aries, the next 13 odd years to about 2038, I think, or something like that. We may very well see a, an appearance or a major planetary event that people will just be blown away by.
00:51:52:22 – 00:52:33:16
Unknown
Wow. And he may not fully externalize at that time. It may take a couple more decades. I think at the latest, 2018, based on the Jupiter Saturn cycles in Aquarius and Gemini. But, it could be sooner rather than later, depending on on on how humanity rises to the occasion because we’re all being tested and sifted, for through the, training, the burning ground of initiation at the moment, there’s so much going on, the sun has to keep up with what’s going on and and to stay level headed the squircle and and so, as, as I said before, the hierarchy can’t interfere in humans.
00:52:33:16 – 00:53:03:14
Unknown
Three will. And so we’d like them to know, know, to save us from ourselves, so to speak. But we really have to sort of that ourselves. We that David Bowie song, someone to say that someone to follow the, can’t remember the name of the song, but, is so appropriate. That kind of sentiment with regard to, how we have to already stand and rise to the occasion right now because we are in a major planetary crisis.
00:53:03:14 – 00:53:19:11
Unknown
This is the Third World War, no question about it. It just hasn’t manifested on the physical plane. But it’s just a war of ideologies. It’s, with experience. I mean, symbols and communities and between frames in the last few years, I’ve had various issues.
00:53:19:11 – 00:53:24:23
Unknown
what would be the purpose of these guardians of the wisdom incarnating?
00:53:24:23 – 00:53:49:20
Unknown
To further accelerate the unfold. What is the territory plan? Because of the failure of the moon check. We are lagging behind the solar system. The rest of the solar system is waiting for us to catch up. We should be at the level of Venus assisted planet, the higher self, which has reached the the the stage of science, initiation or or being having a status of a sacred planet.
00:53:49:22 – 00:54:20:16
Unknown
We are in the process of becoming sacred. We an uncertain planet, and it’s the human evolution primary that, will achieve that through the unfolding of consciousness and taking the higher initiations. And so, so that in a sense, the Saturn mission is being introduced to our planet to speed up evolution. If we take a lot longer to unfold without that, without the process of initiation by Philip, you are fascinating.
00:54:20:16 – 00:54:53:13
Unknown
This entire conversation is fascinating. I encourage all of you to check out Philip’s work. Esoteric astrologer Borg. Check out the documentaries. The one, is The Hidden History of Humanity. There’s another really great documentary that was created called Esoteric Astrology, featuring Philip Lindsay, William Meter. What’s that lovely woman who’s in, Heidi Robbins and and Father Michael Robbins, who just passed a few years ago.
00:54:53:14 – 00:55:18:23
Unknown
Oh, wow. Yes. Both of them also very interesting and eloquent and well researched. So it’s it’s if you’re ready for this rabbit hole, if you’re feeling into it, there is a lot to discover. And I’ll just leave you with this. I brought some of the topics from The Hidden History of Humanity to a dinner party the other night.
00:55:19:00 – 00:55:44:21
Unknown
And some of these things are just, you know, way out there, you know, for most conventional humans. But it’s sparked the most interesting conversation. We had it for ours. And lots of other people at the party also had information, but from other different kinds of sources. It all came together. We were all basically going, wow, this is probably all pretty true that, you know, so I’ll leave you all with that.
00:55:44:21 – 00:55:59:20
Unknown
And, so you’ll have lots of good topics to bring to your friends and, and test and see how it goes. But I just want to thank you, fill up for your time, for your energy, for your wisdom, for all the sharing that you’ve done with us here today and that you’ve been doing over the last 40 years.
00:55:59:22 – 00:56:25:02
Unknown
And in that service to humanity, which I feel you really are doing, you are really playing an important role for us. And even within the realm of astrology, to continue helping us evolve and make sure that we don’t get stuck in this time of of transition, that we don’t get stuck in certain ideas that we allow ourselves to evolve with the expansion of consciousness.
00:56:25:04 – 00:56:47:00
Unknown
Really. Thank you, Amanda. And just one thing to mention too, that I write a monthly newsletter. I’ve got 20 years of newsletters on my website that are all in my book. Wow. And so for me, that’s a practical application of esoteric astrology to to advance their unfolding in the world to famous personalities and history. Well, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:56:47:00 – 00:57:04:19
Unknown
So, at the moment I’m writing the newsletter for tourists and I’m going to be apps and the better which times, people want to go to our website that can sign up for the and Unsubscribes that you up for free? Perfect. I love it. All right, everybody, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community.
00:57:04:21 – 00:57:23:20
Unknown
Thank you for making astrology a part of your life. And I can’t wait to connect with you on the next episode. Let us know what you thought about this, this topic of esoteric astrology. And if you’d like more, because maybe Philip would come back. Maybe we’d have some other voices in esoteric astrology. So let us know if you liked it, and I can’t wait to catch you very soon.
00:57:23:22 – 00:57:25:14
Unknown
Take care everybody.
