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- 09:53 – The Empowering Middle Path: Awareness, Not Excuses
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- 14:28 – Navigating Life by Frequency: Astrology & the Schumann Resonance
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- 19:59 – The Real Pitfall: Fear of Transits & Why Surrender Works Better
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Transcript:
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How to actually work with astrology
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integrated into your life in a way that is helpful and useful and productive.
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For me, if you’re like whittling it down to one thing to your son or, you know,
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just your rising or just your moon, you fall into that pitfall.
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Part of what drew me into astrology and keeps me in astrology is the
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the magic of it all.
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What does this mean vibrationally for us?
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How are we going to level up?
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It’s unchartered waters right now.
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We absolutely take into account Mercury retrogrades
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for sure, because we’ve definitely learned the hard way.
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Maybe not the best timing and you’re in control,
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which is what I actually really love about astrology.
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Fear and the resistance to
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it doesn’t do anything to actually help the experience of the transit.
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Life is meant to be joyful and playful and peaceful and loving.
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You know, if it’s not helpful to you, if it doesn’t feel right in your body,
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then just put it aside.
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I’m a part of this bigger cosmic timing and okay, how do I apply this in my life?
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Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast.
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Today we have a really special different kind of episode.
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One of the things we’ve been talking about as a team is
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how to actually work with astrology
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integrated into your life in a way that is helpful and useful and productive.
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Verses ways that you can kind of
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get tripped up by the astrology and maybe,
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maybe paying too much attention to it and or not enough attention to it.
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So there’s just a conversation that we wanted to have with our community,
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because one of the things we love doing is not only giving the information
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about what the astrological tides are saying,
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but then also giving tools
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for how to actually integrate that into your life to live a better life.
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So here we are with Joanna Stern, and she is an Inner Circle member.
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She’s been with us for 6 or 7 years in the Inner Circle.
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She’s also a psychic and astrologer and a spiritual activator,
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so she has lots of experience working with astrology in her life as well.
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Plus, between us, we have a lot of experience
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witnessing how others in our community are using it as well.
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So welcome to the conversation everybody.
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I’m so happy to be here.
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So, Jana, let’s start with you.
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How like, how long have you been using astrology in your life?
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Kind of as a tool for day to day living.
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And why did you get into it?
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Like what? What spurred it?
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I love this question.
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I think I’ve been actively using astrology since 2015, but I’m incredibly,
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incredibly lucky because,
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my entire life, my whole religion is based on the moon
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and where she is and where she’s moving.
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So following the stars has part of my destiny.
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It’s part of my life.
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It’s been part of my practice all of my life.
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But really, dialing in with astrology is something
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that I think I’ve been pretty serious about since 2015.
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And it did begin with me, of course, and understanding myself
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and really digging in and then figuring out how is where
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everything is affecting me and affecting others.
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And pretty quickly, as I started to learn, I began to understand that
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the lens through which I was looking was extraordinarily helpful
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to help me navigate where I was in time
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and space and what I was processing, what I was going through.
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And every little transit was affecting something in me.
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And then I could have these conversations, these really deep,
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piscean conversations.
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My son is in Pisces, where
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I would get the depth of people
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and be like, well, did you know that this is happening right now in the stars?
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And it’s funny.
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And the more that I watched it in the sky, the more that I was like, whoa,
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the collective really is moving with this thing.
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And then I started to really be like,
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okay, I better take this seriously because it seems pretty serious.
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And that’s kind of how I landed in Astrology Hub.
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I was like, what’s what’s going on here?
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These people seem like they know what they’re doing.
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There’s some serious teachers in here I gotta get good with.
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So let me just go all the way in, right?
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Right. Yeah.
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And like,
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give us the nuts and bolts.
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How do you stay in tune?
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Like, just give us a smattering of ways
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that, like, keep you in the loop of what’s happening in real time?
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Yeah.
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I mean, for sure, there are apps and text messages
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and things like that that come my way
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every day that I’m checking in with to make sure that I understand.
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Why am I feeling the way that I’m feeling?
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What can I tap in with a little bit deeper?
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Where are the parts of my body, of my spirit,
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of all of those things that I can go a little bit deeper with?
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But sometimes, I mean, one of the things that I do quite often
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is I look at the charts of the people in my life and help.
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It helps me to ascertain
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why are the way they are right now, especially when I’m triggered.
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I’m like, oh, right.
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I see this thing is affecting this, and therefore it’s responding with me
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this way.
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And then I often will look at, you know, the composite chart and okay,
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well what how is that affecting both of us? And
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what is playing out here?
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What is the cosmic message that I’m playing, you know, human in that
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I’m feeling in my own consciousness about that I’m in my head about.
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But actually there’s something much bigger going on.
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There’s something much greater going on.
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And so I kind of use their charts and my chart and the current transits
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to understand what’s at play from a bigger perspective and all of it.
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How do you avoid, you know, like, what about the,
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the argument that people use astrology
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as an excuse to be jerks
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or to kind of like justify bad behavior?
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How do you walk that line of like, okay, I’m
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understanding why I feel this way,
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but that like, that doesn’t excuse the fact that I just like,
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went off on my child or, you know, I’m giving you right? Right now.
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I don’t have any of those, so I’m good. Don’t you worry about me, girl.
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But yeah, you know, I think
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this is where usually what I say to that is we are our entire chart.
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So it’s not that I’m singly faceted.
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I’m multifaceted.
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And so, yes, I mean, no matter how you slice it,
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we know that all Geminis are really like that, right?
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We just we know we know that.
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And we know what that means.
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And there are many different versions of like that
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that exist in every single Gemini.
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And each one of them expresses themselves
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differently because of their own full and entire chart.
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So for me, if you’re like whittling it down
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to one thing to your son or, you know, just your rising
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or just your moon or whatever, you fall into that pitfall.
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But it’s so much more than that.
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It’s so much deeper and we get so caught up in that.
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But I think also
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on some level,
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we need a way for where the way that we are, we all live
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in this world with such intense lack and this feeling of not enoughness.
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And I think that astrology like pause in to no, actually you’re
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you were just designed this way.
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It’s okay that you are how you are, and if you need to lean on that a little bit,
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be mindful about how much you lean and how much you like.
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Use it as a crutch, but also if it helps you to stand
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a little bit taller with the crutch than like hold it you know.
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I like that.
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Yeah. Laura how about you.
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Well I love what Jane is saying about the behaviors
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because I feel like what I say to my child, my toddler
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all the time is like, you are allowed to have the feeling,
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but the behaviors are okay.
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You can have the feeling, but you can’t be mean.
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And so I feel like with astrology it’s similar, where it’s like gives you
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the awareness that,
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okay, I’m having this feeling, I’m reacting this way because of this, but
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it gives you the self-awareness to maybe choose to act a little bit differently,
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or choose to act in the more elevated way of your the stereotype of your sign.
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So I love I love that you’re saying that. Gina.
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Astrology for me.
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I started using it in 2018 pretty regularly.
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And like Gina, it started as a self-reflection practice
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and it just helped me really understand myself better, go through life
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feeling like I always knew there was something more to me,
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or there was like something that’s not expressing of me.
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And astrology
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really gave me the language to to live it and to give myself permission to live it.
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And, then I just started tracking the moon,
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and I think something else, Gina, that you said sparked something in me
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that not every, like, transit or every,
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thing that’s happening, the sky is going to affect your chart.
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Like you, you’re not going to feel everything so deeply, but
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it helps you understand other people in your life or helps you be an observer.
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Like if someone else is acting a certain way,
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knowing where certain things are in the sky is going to help you to support them
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better, or just have more context to to deal with them better,
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or to connect with them better.
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So I feel like it started
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as like a self-reflection practice for me and has really morphed into just this
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whole lens through which I view the world and the people in my life,
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and just gives me another language to really navigate life with.
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And I always say, like, I don’t know how I did life without this,
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and I don’t know how people do life without it.
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Now, just especially in the times that we’re in now,
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like not having the context, it would be really scary.
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And so I’m really grateful that I have it.
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Yes. I’ve had that thought so many times in the last year.
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It’s like, wow, I am so glad I know what’s going on astrologically.
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Because the thing that just to add to
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not getting stuck in
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letting a like astrology be the thing that excuses,
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I’m going to use,
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you know, kind of probably some of the language
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you might use with Timothy, Laura, but not excusing mean behavior
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or you know, bad behavior, for lack of a better term,
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is I love that it gives us the awareness, like, here’s what’s happening,
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here’s what the here’s what the, the waves of the ocean are doing.
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Here’s what the cosmic waves are doing.
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And you decide. You decide.
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You can decide to let it be the thing that just justifies you being a jerk today.
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Or you can take it into account
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and you can make decisions from there.
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And to me, it feels the opposite
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of the disempowering thing where you’re just sort of like,
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oh, well, the astrology said this, so I’m going to go with it.
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It’s like, well, the astrology says this.
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So now with that awareness, I get to choose.
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And that choice to me is very empowering
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versus like, I have no idea why I feel this way.
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I have no idea, like how I could be seeing this situation from another perspective.
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It’s just happening and I’m just at the mercy of it right?
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There’s there’s this different perspective.
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And I feel like before astrology was in my life,
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I would fall more into the, you know, it’s just the way it is.
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And it’s just, you know, I don’t know why is this way, but it is this way.
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And, you know, I don’t really know what to do with that. So
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what about like, how intricate do you get?
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Like, I know there’s people that will not make a decision.
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Will not book anything on their calendar, will not book a trip, will not,
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you know, do anything without consulting the astrology first.
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And then there’s others who, like, hold it more lightly.
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And then literally, I was just talking to Natasha Alter, who is, you know,
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my my astrological fairy godmother.
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And I was asking her when what would be ideal timing
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to launch the book that we have been working on for a while now.
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And she goes, you know, I don’t really look at that very much anymore.
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Like, I really don’t.
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I just don’t, you know, I really just trust my intuition.
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And I think there’s as a whole range and spectrum and I know for myself,
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astrology has helped me feel even more confident in my intuition
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to be able to make decisions from that place.
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But let’s we can go there next.
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But how intricate do you two get in your consulting of the stars?
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Like, I don’t get intricate at all, actually.
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And in my consultation of the stars, I take it in as information,
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but I don’t let it rule.
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Part of what
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drew me into astrology and keeps me in astrology is the the magic of it all.
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And how it just, it’s so divinely
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architected and better than I could ever do myself.
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So part of me feels like if you’re so.
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If I were to get so complicated with it and so caught up in like,
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what’s the moon doing? What’s this doing?
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Then I would lose that magic,
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or it’d be all up in my head and it wouldn’t be embodied.
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And I don’t know, you leave space for magic when when you let
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something happen.
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And I also think that we’re born on this planet.
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Our soul has, you know, contracts, that we have a birthright.
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And I feel like some challenges
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and some things are just meant to be worked through,
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and you can’t astrology your way out of it.
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And so I feel like, you know, use it as information,
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but don’t let it limit you, you know, like, I, I got married in 2020
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and our marriage chart, I think intellectual astrologer
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would be like, why did you choose this chart?
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But it doesn’t bother me,
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you know, I just feel like it is like a mark of our relationship.
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It’s like a badge of honor. It’s like.
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Because as humans, we want to, like, categorize things as good and bad.
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And, like, I just don’t think that that’s
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really how the universe speaks through us, or I just think there’s more to it
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than the compartments that we want to put things in.
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So I like to look at where the moon is.
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I like to honor that archetype.
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But beyond that, I, I really just listen to my gut.
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Laura, what do you mean by honor that archetype?
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Give us an example.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, if the moon’s in Pisces, I may focus on my feet, or I might,
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listen to, you know, moody music
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or, you know, get escape through movies or something like that.
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If it’s an Aries, I might want to move my body a little bit more.
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And so that’s you don’t have to know astrology.
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You don’t even have to know the aspects in a chart.
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If you just know the archetypes, you can kind of just play with them
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a little bit through music, through media, through activities,
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through connecting with others.
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And it just kind of makes it come to life a little bit more.
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What does that do for you?
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Like, why would you even bother doing that?
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I just feel like it puts the wind beneath my sails a little bit more,
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you know, like it’s not,
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you know, it feels like I’m kind of rolling with the current instead of, like,
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against it or it just, it just it’s a way that astrology can be embodied for me.
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And I just like any opportunity to, like, get my head
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out of the chart and out of the books to, like, really feel it.
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And, it’s a fun way to learn the archetypes, too.
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It’s a fun way to, like, engage with it.
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And so, you know, you’re never bored if you’re like, what should I do right now?
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Okay, where’s the moon? What’s an activity that goes to that archetype?
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Let’s do that. You know, I love that. Yeah.
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How about you, Jana? What?
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How like, how intricate do you get?
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How detailed.
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Yeah.
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I get intricate, but in a funny way.
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I let myself very much like what Laura was saying.
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Like, I let myself be guided by my intuition first and foremost.
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And it’s going to take me wherever it takes me and you know,
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I try to be mindful about, okay, is Mercury retrograde?
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Should I really be getting on a plane?
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What kind of complexities are going to happen if and when I do?
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And how can I be prepared?
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So I think about it that way.
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But where I get really intricate with it is, you know,
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I’ve been thinking a lot lately about frequency and the frequency of the planets
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and the frequency of our bodies and of the hertz of this Earth,
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and then the frequency of everything that we’re constantly moving.
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And we were talking before
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we started about how things are transforming and changing
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and if you watch the Schumann resonance, you guys know what
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the Schumann resonances. Yeah.
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So if you why don’t you explain it just in case anyone in the audience doesn’t.
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So the Schumann resonance is the vibration
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of our planet, which vibrates between 7 to 15Hz ish.
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And lately the the measurements have been off the charts.
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As in, we can’t calculate the vibration
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of our planet right now because we are ascending, thank God.
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And so as we do, it’s very hard to calibrate
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to what the new vibration is, to what the new frequency of our planet is.
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We literally haven’t even created something to measure it yet.
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And so as we figure that out,
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that’s what has me dial into the planets and where they’re moving.
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And sometimes that’s
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I mean, it’s always about the moon because she’s going to affect us most deeply.
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Right?
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In our emotions, in ourselves and in the monthly cycles, particularly
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as a woman like, you know, we go through a cycle, she goes through a cycle.
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I definitely feel my cycle.
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I definitely feel hers.
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So like that resonates.
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Everything you were saying, Laura, I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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And then, you know, when the planets move into new, you know, when they ingress
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and then I’m like, okay, what does this mean vibrationally for us?
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How are we going to level up?
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How is our our frequency of the planet and of individuals going to shift?
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And there are some people
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who are vibrating quite high, but there are others who are not yet.
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And they will all reach Ascension,
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perhaps some in incarnation and others out of incarnation.
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But humanity will get there.
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And as we do, I’m dialed in to where are things changing vibrationally,
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and how are those sort of
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like cords from the universe being plucked so that we can figure out,
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or at least I can figure out as my like, huge open, you know, self,
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how can I receive everything you know as
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where are we guiding, where are we going?
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Where are we navigating to next?
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Because it’s unchartered waters right now.
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We don’t know where the hell we are.
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We’ve never been here before
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and it is massive question marks as to where we’re going.
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But everything is frequency.
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Everything is vibration.
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So okay, let me let me at least pay attention to what every ancestor
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of every culture has ever done, which is let me look up what’s going on up there.
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Right.
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And like that just helps me to be like, okay, I’m in a body and it’s okay.
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It reminds me
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of how the Polynesians found the Hawaiian Islands
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with with the stars, you know, and it’s it’s
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that’s how the ocean was navigated.
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That’s how the tides were navigated.
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That’s how people got places.
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And so we’re basically doing the same thing,
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even though we’re not in canoes, even though we’re not in boats,
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we’re still doing the same thing,
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looking up, using the stars to navigate our path forward.
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And and that way it is true celestial navigation right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So there’s a range here.
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Laura doesn’t pay as much attention on like a daily basis.
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Yeah, on a daily basis.
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I will agree though about the Mercury retrograde.
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I definitely pay attention to those and plan around those.
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I have worked a lot with Mercury Cycles and that’s definitely
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something to watch for, but for the most part on a daily basis.
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I don’t
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know about you.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I was just going to say even when we sit down to plan the year
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for astrology, have we absolutely take into account Mercury retrogrades?
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For sure, because we’ve definitely learned the hard way.
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I have to say, I want, I want to say 100% of the time.
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And Laura, correct me if I’m wrong 100% of the time that we have hired
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someone during Mercury retrograde, it has not worked out for whatever reason.
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I mean, it’s not always that they’re like, they didn’t work out
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the circumstances didn’t work out like there was so many things.
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So at this point, I’m at I’m at 100%
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no hiring during Mercury retrograde policy.
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Just if, if and you know, who knows, maybe they wouldn’t have worked out anyways.
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But it’s just
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there’s something about that energy that just doesn’t seem to work out.
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I the way that I think of it is, is I like nod to it.
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It feels like it feels like a nod or like a,
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a drumbeat in the background of my life.
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And mainly that’s the bigger transits that I’m sort of paying attention to.
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The big, you know, Pluto moving into Aquarius, the big,
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Saturn moving into
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Aries, the big Jupiter moving into cancer like these.
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And I ride them like when Jupiter,
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when the Gemini, Jupiter is in Gemini in my chart.
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And so I went, okay, Jupiter’s in Gemini, so I’m going to have a Jupiter return.
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This thing lasts about a year, and Gemini is writing.
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And so maybe this is the wave I want to catch to like finish my book.
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Finally.
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So that’s what I did.
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Like, I, I feel like I like, catch these waves and they’re the bigger ones.
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And then the daily astrology like when, when our cosmic pulse texts come in.
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The daily astrology for me is just like a nod to it.
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And it can be a, it can be a oh yeah, that explains things.
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And oh yeah, thanks for that reminder.
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And oh yeah, maybe I don’t initiate that.
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Really like big challenging conversation today when the Cosmic Pulse
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just said that like things are going to be super tense and people might be edgy.
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It’s like,
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yeah, that’s like that’s not really the energy
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I want for this particular conversation, you know?
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So it’s it’s there and it’s informing like Laura, use the word informing.
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It’s it’s informing.
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But it’s not it’s not dictating.
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But it really does create like a scaffolding in my life.
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And I like build and create within the scaffolding
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of the, of the planetary movements.
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And I’ve experienced the hard way not paying any attention
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where like some, you know, we’ll plan something big.
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And then I look back and it doesn’t go as planned
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or does is much more challenging than it should have been.
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And we look back and go, oh, like, you know,
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that was like probably the most intense eclipse portal
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we could have ever planned. This massive event
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where we’re trying a bunch of new things all at the same time.
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Maybe not the best timing, you know?
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Definitely with travel.
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Definitely.
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Just I mean, again, like for the book launch, I’m like, you know what?
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This is a big thing.
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I should probably, like, at least take it into a consideration.
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Not not let it dictate the timing of all this.
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But I would kind of like some smooth waters for that instead of,
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you know, entering right into the eye of, you know, into the middle of a storm,
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for example.
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So yeah, it’s it’s there.
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I, I’ve gone in, in the over.
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I, I’ve used it too much in my opinion, like for me personally
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and I’ve used it too little for me personally.
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So it’s always about just finding that like middle ground where it’s like,
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yeah, this, this is good. This feels good.
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I will say that those Cosmic Pulse texts
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helped so much in exactly that way, to help me to be like
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to check myself in the
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astrology, because sometimes I get really lost in my humanity.
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And those little messages do exactly that.
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They can reign me in to be like, don’t go there, girl.
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Or they can really help to push me to be like, this is an opportunity.
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You have this available today, right now.
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And so I you know, I look forward to them every day.
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And they’re like,
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they do they bring me to this like
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the astrology is real moment every day, which is such a nice
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just kind of nod from you guys, but really from the universe just being like,
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all is well and you’re on the right path and you’re in control.
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Which is what I actually really love about astrology,
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is that it does make me feel like in this world of chaos,
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I have one teeny tiny tool that the more I understand about the archetypes and the
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you know how things are moving and what they’re meaning,
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that I have a little bit more control to make decisions
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from a more informed place than if I didn’t have it.
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You know.
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Yeah.
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We can use it.
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We can use every bit of help that we can get.
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Right.
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Totally. Yeah.
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I often wonder like why
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this has been my question since my first reading.
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Why doesn’t everybody know about this.
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Why doesn’t everybody use this area now
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even in running astrology Hub for almost ten years?
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Like why wouldn’t every entrepreneur, every business person,
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every everyone that is like stewarding anything?
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Why would I at least be a part of the decision making process
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just to, like, increase your odds like
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we’ve not been taught to be powerful?
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I also have been prepared quite a bit.
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Well that’s what I mean.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh there we go. Yes.
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Laura anything else you want to add
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about like your daily rituals or ways that you’ve integrated it
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or like either gone too far or too not enough.
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Yeah.
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Well one thing I see people do often and I’ve been caught in this trap
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too, is people getting fearful of transits.
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And I think this is a big one for a lot of people is
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they’ll see a big transit like Pluto crossing your ascendant,
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Uranus crossing the DC, and it like these big ones that are like
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something bad’s going to happen, and they get fearful of it.
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And I don’t think that I think one, if you’re studying astrology, you’re way
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farther ahead than the normal person going through this transit.
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So you’re like, way better off.
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But to fear in the resistance to
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it doesn’t do anything to actually help the experience of the transit.
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So like in my experience, what makes a transit worse is resistance, right?
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So if you’re having a big Uranus transit and you’re resistant to change,
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it’s going to make it a lot harder.
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Pluto transit your resistance to looking at yourself.
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It’s going to make it a lot harder. Even even a Venus transit.
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If you’re resistance to really like
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looking at your relationships, it’s going to make it a lot harder.
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And so I think the fear that happens, it builds this like wall around us
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that makes us not really able to, like, receive the gifts of the transit
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in a way that we are meant to or a way that can be productive.
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So I would just say that being fearful or resistant of transits
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that are coming your way to your chart, or tracking them so closely
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and reading all these horror stories and diving so deep into like,
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what’s going to happen, will happen to you.
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That, I think is a huge pitfall.
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And sometimes
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you just need to keep an open mind and let it wash over you and just be like,
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I’m ready, universe. Like, give it to me.
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And I feel like that’s the best way to handle it as best you can.
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I know everyone’s circumstances are different, but,
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you know, as someone with Pluto on her ascendant right now,
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I feel like that has been the best way to handle it.
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And so. And fear has not done a single thing to help me.
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So I’ve been guilty of this, too.
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I think everyone at some point has, but it’s just something to keep in mind
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when you’re tracking it so closely that it doesn’t rule you.
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And it’s it’s happening for your benefit.
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I do believe the universe is benevolent benevolent in that way. So
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how about you?
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And this is a big one.
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This is a really big one.
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And I know that it is one of the potential pitfalls
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of paying attention to the astrology, because partially it’s like, well,
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if you didn’t know, then you wouldn’t anticipate it
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and you wouldn’t freak out about it, and you wouldn’t
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be looking at every single astrology book that says whatever it says about Pluto
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and how, you know, challenging that can be, for example.
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But like how like once you have the information,
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it can be hard not to fall into that trap.
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So, Janna, do you have experience with this?
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Do you have any tips that you work with?
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Yeah, I have a Gemini Moon.
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I can overanalyze like, Batty.
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Yeah, I’ve definitely been caught in times where I’m.
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Almost like,
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sort of stuck being like a slave to the stars, like,
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oh, this is happening, so I shouldn’t or this might be coming.
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And so I need to, like,
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purge and prepare and, you know, practice and do this and do that.
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All because of this one thing that is coming.
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And so, yeah, Laura, what you were sharing about
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the anxiety of it all is like really intense.
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And yes, Amanda, you’re correct that like, if we didn’t know,
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maybe ignorance would be bliss, but it would still be affecting us, right?
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And that the effect would be on happening on a more unconscious level.
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Right.
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But there has certainly been times where I was just
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unwilling to make a move.
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If the astrology didn’t make it seem like it was okay.
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And it’s this kind of for me, this dependance on like a sky daddy
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to make it make sense.
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And if it didn’t all exactly perfectly line up and feel
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completely within my control, I just wasn’t going to go anywhere.
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I wasn’t going to do anything
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as long as it didn’t sort of work with my chart, so to speak.
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And, you know, I’ve, I think I’ve
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maybe missed
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opportunities or avoided things in my life because it was easier
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to not navigate it than it was to go a little bit deeper and feel into it.
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And as opposed to being like, well, the astrology says so.
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Therefore I don’t really need to go there
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because it’s not good for me astrologically, which is like it’s
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so performative, you know, it’s not really there’s no depth to that.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever had a transits
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that via the text books
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would be potentially horrifying?
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That wasn’t that.
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You know, you went through and you’re like, oh my God,
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that wasn’t even like half as bad as what I thought it might be.
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Has ever you ever had that experience?
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I mean, Saturn.
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So Saturn and I have been
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having a
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dance of late, in the past couple of years.
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And typically that’s like a really,
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you know, big one that can have,
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can play a lot of tricks and do a lot of really intense work.
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And Saturn transited over my son,
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for a little while there when he was back in Pisces. And,
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when he moved off of my son
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the day he moved, I was like, okay, this has been a super intense time.
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There was a lot going on.
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And is it okay if I share a personal story?
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Yeah, please.
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It’s personal. So,
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my father had been,
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wandering the streets of Florida homeless, and I did not know where he was.
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And the day that Saturn moved off of my son, I remember crossing
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the bridge in Florida at my grandmother’s house and screaming out loud
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and saying, okay, daddy, Saturn, where is my daddy?
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Where are you? Dad? Come on home. And,
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blessed.
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It was a full moon, and less than 48 hours later,
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he showed up at my grandmother’s front door.
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And, you know, I, I,
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I was like, there is no way that this is not
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literally Saturn in action.
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And that might be I mean, it has been incredibly intense
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and there’s been a lot of aftermath from that.
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But that that transit
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could have been something that resulted in something horrific in that way.
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And it actually was kind of a miracle.
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So maybe that’s like kind of an example of that.
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I mean, and for those of you who don’t know which most of our audience
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probably does, but Saturn is the father.
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So I hope that your Saturn story was literally really about your dad.
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Like, that’s that’s already it.
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Sometimes it’s so literal.
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It’s not even like metaphorical.
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It’s just literal interpretation applied to life.
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Right.
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And and what I have known that and experienced it that way.
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If I didn’t know that Saturn was moving off of my son that day,
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would I have screamed to the heavens and would he have shown up? I don’t know,
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right?
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Okay, we’ll never know.
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But that’s really interesting.
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Laura, how about you?
00:32:19:05 – 00:32:24:05
So I’ve had a number of Pluto transits to my chart and
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I won’t say that they haven’t been challenging,
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but looking back on them, they’ve definitely been fruitful.
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And they definitely given me a lot of gifts and have also,
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made me who I am today.
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So in retrospect, I look back and I’m grateful for them.
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So I just want to say that
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that sometimes in the moment it doesn’t look exactly like where you’re going.
00:32:46:05 – 00:32:47:22
You know, like the journey is long.
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So I just want to say that.
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But I’ve, I’ve recognize this in client charts, too.
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When I was first starting to read charts, I would, you know, do a, like a mini
00:32:58:13 – 00:33:01:14
reading and then go back to a teacher and, you know, ask my questions.
00:33:01:23 – 00:33:06:03
And I remember one very vividly where Uranus had crossed the
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the descendant, which is the seventh house cusp, of this person.
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And I knew that must have been big Uranus on the angles.
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But at the time I didn’t quite know.
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And my teacher was like, well, it’s great that you didn’t scare this person
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because sometimes this is associated with, you know, really challenging things
00:33:21:00 – 00:33:22:16
with the spouse. You know, it could be death.
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It could be a lot of different things.
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And so it just I but for her, that was not the case at all.
00:33:28:17 – 00:33:31:08
She, she was thriving. She was like, getting ready to have a baby.
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She were they were moving into a new house.
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Like, it couldn’t be more different than like the textbook interpretation.
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So, it just.
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And another thing, another note that,
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you know, if you’re if you’re reading charts
00:33:40:17 – 00:33:42:20
for other people to not assume that, you know,
00:33:42:20 – 00:33:45:13
a challenging transit means something bad because
00:33:45:13 – 00:33:48:06
had I said something to scare her, that would have been really detrimental.
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But, but yeah, there’s gifts in every, every transit.
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So even if it doesn’t look like it in the moment.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and often it doesn’t look like that in the moment.
00:33:59:24 – 00:34:04:13
I, I’ve been really playing with how do I enjoy and appreciate
00:34:04:13 – 00:34:07:13
and be grateful for things even while I’m in it.
00:34:07:16 – 00:34:11:21
Not having to wait until after when I realized that it was probably
00:34:11:21 – 00:34:13:11
the best thing that ever happened to me.
00:34:13:11 – 00:34:19:12
I mean, even the Pluto’s been dancing on my sun and Venus for years,
00:34:19:23 – 00:34:24:14
and literally the the meat of the book that I will be publishing
00:34:24:15 – 00:34:28:07
soon is from when Pluto
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first entered Capricorn in 2008,
00:34:31:19 – 00:34:34:13
all the way until the end of Pluto being in Capricorn,
00:34:34:13 – 00:34:38:21
which was just activating a big, huge, important part of my chart.
00:34:39:10 – 00:34:41:12
And and in it.
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I mean, there were so many times in it where I was like,
00:34:43:14 – 00:34:44:24
this is the worst thing ever.
00:34:44:24 – 00:34:48:12
Like, my life is a disaster, right?
00:34:49:16 – 00:34:53:17
And now, like being on this end of it, it’s like, wow, that that literally
00:34:53:17 – 00:34:57:02
if that hadn’t happened, we wouldn’t be having this conversation here today.
00:34:57:13 – 00:34:58:23
I wouldn’t live in Hawaii.
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I wouldn’t have the the children that I have in the way that I have them.
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None of it would look like this.
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So I think the trick and the invitation for all of us and this is way easier, said
00:35:08:15 – 00:35:14:10
than done, is while we’re in it, to still find the gratitude for it,
00:35:14:10 – 00:35:18:12
even when it’s really uncomfortable and it looks really messy.
00:35:18:24 – 00:35:22:09
And again, I’m saying that to myself as much as I’m saying
00:35:22:09 – 00:35:26:10
that to anybody else, because it is not easy to maintain that
00:35:26:21 – 00:35:29:19
while we’re in the midst of these, you know, big transformations.
00:35:29:19 – 00:35:34:12
But I was thinking, speaking of stories, I was thinking, oh my gosh, wouldn’t
00:35:34:12 – 00:35:38:09
it be awesome to create a book of stories
00:35:38:21 – 00:35:43:16
around each of these kinds of transit and get people’s stories
00:35:43:16 – 00:35:46:16
so that while you’re in it, you can be reminded of,
00:35:46:22 – 00:35:48:21
oh wow, there’s a lot of different ways this could look.
00:35:48:21 – 00:35:51:05
Oh, wow. There’s a lot of different ways I could respond to this.
00:35:51:05 – 00:35:51:17
Oh, wow.
00:35:51:17 – 00:35:54:17
There’s a lot of different ways that this could result in my life.
00:35:55:00 – 00:35:58:23
And I don’t know about all of you, but stories have just always inspired me.
00:35:58:23 – 00:36:02:15
It’s like, okay, there’s there’s other there’s other ways to do this.
00:36:02:15 – 00:36:05:15
I don’t have to think about this as the worst case scenario.
00:36:05:17 – 00:36:09:21
Yeah, I think we’ve like first of all, we’ve survived as a species on stories.
00:36:10:08 – 00:36:10:14
Yeah.
00:36:10:14 – 00:36:13:12
It’s really all we are is just a story. And,
00:36:14:24 – 00:36:18:02
I think this is where that piece of you are.
00:36:18:02 – 00:36:21:24
Your whole chart really comes into play, because how it might express
00:36:21:24 – 00:36:25:06
in one person is not necessarily how it’s going to express in you.
00:36:25:06 – 00:36:28:02
And so fearing it in that way,
00:36:28:02 – 00:36:31:11
you make an assumption about yourself and then you kind of pigeonhole yourself
00:36:31:11 – 00:36:32:01
into something.
00:36:32:01 – 00:36:36:07
Then you create a reality with your words, with your fears.
00:36:36:12 – 00:36:38:20
That becomes
00:36:38:20 – 00:36:41:01
a sort of destiny, but it’s only part
00:36:41:01 – 00:36:44:09
of what your destiny could be if you just expanded.
00:36:44:09 – 00:36:47:20
So yeah, telling stories and hearing other people’s stories,
00:36:48:09 – 00:36:51:09
it would be a fun thing to do, you know, in the community to just be like
00:36:51:10 – 00:36:55:01
asking everybody, you know, give us, give us a story
00:36:55:01 – 00:36:59:01
that goes against the grain because we need to have the inspiration right now
00:36:59:10 – 00:37:02:07
as we’ve done that, I’ve seen the cool conversations
00:37:02:07 – 00:37:05:07
happening around like, I’m in a Saturn transit.
00:37:05:07 – 00:37:06:18
Anybody else had this one?
00:37:06:18 – 00:37:08:00
What was it like? You know,
00:37:09:05 – 00:37:10:01
and and just for
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So if you would like to have just like an awareness
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I thought of one more way
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that I’ve always worked with the astrology and I, and this is the way I started.
00:38:45:17 – 00:38:47:13
It’s the new and the full moon.
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I mean, I’ve always like
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scoured podcasts and blogs and and whatever
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to get the read on the New moon
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and then used those themes to
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I went the best way I said I can think of it
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as like organize my spiritual focus, like my spiritual growth.
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Like if it’s if it’s Leo New Moon, maybe I’m
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going to focus on expression and authentic expression and generosity.
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If it’s Scorpio, maybe I’m going to like,
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embrace the transformation
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and the depth and, you know, some of those things even more than usual.
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So just keeping those again, that drumbeat, you know, as
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set by the moon, which really does impact a lot.
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Is there anything else either one of you want to say about, like,
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tips for working with it and or,
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pitfalls to just be mindful of on this path?
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Yeah, I would say don’t take it too seriously.
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You know, life is really huge
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and cosmic and also tiny and so personal,
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and we’re supposed to experience all of it and and have a good time in it.
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Like, life is meant to be joyful and playful and useful and loving
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and it’s important that we make that
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part of the study of whatever it is that’s going on up there.
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And, you know, if it starts to get to serious, then
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you’re probably needing
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to just reel it back a little bit and take it a little less seriously.
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Because it’s it’s really meant to be a game.
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It’s really meant to be a play that we’re all kind of acting out in, I think.
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And so, yeah, just, you know, be be with it.
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And as both of you have said, the moon
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really she knows something about us.
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And being with her every month in a ritual in some kind of routine, in
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some kind of practice is a great baseline.
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And also there is so much more that you can know.
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And the cosmic pulse really is like a great tool to bridge
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from just those moon rituals to like, well, what comes next, right?
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It’s, it’s it really is.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I couldn’t I couldn’t agree more.
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I also want to say that there’s astrology offers
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so much information and it’s can be so helpful.
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And it can also get complicated really, really, really quickly.
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And so I think it’s important
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if you’re going to work with it every day or just work with it weekly, monthly,
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know what’s helpful and know what’s not, you know, if it’s not helpful to you,
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if it doesn’t feel right in your body, then just put it aside.
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You don’t need it and not like this.
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This practice is so deep that there’s so many ways to go
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and so you can pick your own adventure, really, which is what I love about it.
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So notice when something’s not helpful.
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Notice when it is helpful.
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Follow that feeling and just have fun with it.
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Like Gina said, if it’s if it’s if it’s if it feels good,
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if you’re if you’re having fun with it, then it’s working
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and you’re part of something bigger and the universe is on your side.
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So ladies, thank you so much.
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This has been so much fun to have this conversation.
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We don’t do this as much.
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You know, just these these sort of bigger picture conversations about okay, like
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what do we do with all this information.
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How do we actually use it in our lives?
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So thank you for that.
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And thanks all of you for tuning in.
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If you decide to try the cosmic Pause right now
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and for the next week ahead, we’re also throwing in a gift.
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This is our celebration of making the cosmic pulse available
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to the public, and what you’ll get with this gift is our Magic
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Dates report, which will allow you to add
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really important astrological transits to your calendar of choice.
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So the your Google calendar, your outlook calendar, you can integrate
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what’s coming through the Magic Date report.
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So the Cosmic Pulse is going to give you the daily read.
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You’re going to it’s going to come in in real time.
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And the magic date helps you plan out a little bit.
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So if you do want to look ahead and be like,
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wish when’s the best time to launch this or that?
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Or when’s the best time to travel?
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Or when might I not want to do that?
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Or at least take the astrology into consideration?
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The Magic Dates report is going to help you do that.
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So these things are available to you.
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Now you can go to astrology, have.com/pulse,
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check it all out and we’d love to get your feedback to the
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how is how are you using astrology in your life on a daily basis?
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Have you ever fallen into the trap of of being paralyzed
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by it, like Jana said, or totally disregarding it?
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And then sort of wishing that you had paid
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a little bit more attention with love to hear from you in the comments below.
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Jana, I know you have a podcast too, so if people want to like follow
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your work and get to know you better, how would they do that?
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Yeah, we’re currently on pause, but there’s going to be new episodes
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coming very soon.
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The podcast is called I’m really into that stuff.
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It’s sort of tongue in cheek.
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It was something
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that people say often to me, and it’s really just interesting conversations
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with wonderful humans who are doing cool things in the world of woohoo!
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Laura was gracious enough to be a guest on my show,
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a few months back, and it might have been a year ago now.
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Laura, I think it was last fall.
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Yeah, wild, wild.
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So yeah, you can you can go and have a listen to.
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I’m really into that stuff.
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It’s on Apple and Spotify and all the things and there’s a YouTube
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and so I’m sure we’ll, we’ll drop some links down below.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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Jana and Laura.
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Thank you for being here. Such a pleasure.
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And we look forward to connecting with all of you on the next episode.
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Take care.
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Love.
