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- 17:50 – Annie’s Transformation: From Psychologist to Astrologer
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- 30:55 – Why We Struggle to Feel: Emotional Literacy in Focus
- 35:50 – Real-Life Results: Jobs, Relationships & Radical Change
- 40:05 – The Seventh House: People Pleasing & Fear of Rejection
- 42:40 – The Eighth House: Sabotage, Intimacy & Power
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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:31:01
Unknown
Welcome to. Oh my gosh. Sorry. Let me start again. See already. Well hello there, and welcome to this special episode of the Astrology Hub podcast, where today we’re going to be doing something a little different, and we’re going to be giving you an opportunity to follow along with a technique that we think you’re going to find very interesting.
00:00:31:02 – 00:01:01:13
Unknown
So if you have ever felt like there is something kind of invisible holding you back, like there’s a next step you want to take, but something inside you keeps hesitating. This conversation is for you. I’m joined today by Kathryn Plano, the incredible transformational coach and founder of Rise and Thrive in ICF Accredited Positive Psychology Coaching Certification program and one of our very own Astrology Hub community members.
00:01:01:14 – 00:01:28:15
Unknown
She’s also an Inner Circle member, and for Mond, she is an astrologer and organizational psychologist, and she recently completed the certificate program and is now working for the Rise and Thrive Academy. You’re going to hear her story later in the episode and it is a powerful one. But first, we’re going to explore a tool that’s become a cornerstone of the work at Rise and Thrive, and it’s called the Astro Life Blueprint.
00:01:28:17 – 00:01:52:17
Unknown
And we have a gift for you for those of you who want to follow along with this approach in real time, you can download your own copy of the Astro Life Blueprint, as well as a two hour video from Catherine Planet that will walk you, walk you through it at length. Today, we’re going to be going through three of the major placements, so you’re at least going to be able to get started.
00:01:52:23 – 00:02:15:05
Unknown
But if you love it and you want to take it further, you’re going to have this free gift waiting for you. We’re going to have the link for that in the show notes. You can download it and go back to it after this episode. All right. So this episode is designed to help you get crystal clear on the hidden hidden patterns that might be keeping you stuck, confused, or playing small.
00:02:15:07 – 00:02:35:11
Unknown
All right. So if you are in for this, let’s dive in. Catherine and Annie, thank you so much for being here. And welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. Thank you for an amazing introduction. Yeah, happy to be here, Amanda. Thanks for having us. It’s so fun. And you were in the audience for many years, and now you’re just so very excited.
00:02:35:12 – 00:02:58:24
Unknown
Yeah. All right, so let’s start with what the Astro Life Blueprint is. What is the tool and what is it designed to do? Sure. So the astral blueprint, and I don’t know if you can say this for and you’ll be able to download it as you, as Amanda mentioned. Basically it’s a wheel. It’s like a pie with 12 houses very much linked to astrology.
00:02:59:04 – 00:03:22:12
Unknown
And each house represents a different area of your life. And basically the way that you do it is when you go through this, blueprint, you’re looking at it and then you’re saying through each house, how satisfied am I in my identity, how satisfied my with my wealth and finance from 1 to 10. That’s all you do. You just go around the circle.
00:03:22:18 – 00:03:45:06
Unknown
Then always recommend use a different color pen or texta. And then how valuable? How important is this house to me? So that’s it. That’s the first thing they want you do. Once you’ve got you’ve got this beautiful. And it’s not always that beautiful circle of balance, but you’re looking for where is the biggest gap. And that is the house that you dive into and really unpack.
00:03:45:08 – 00:04:24:05
Unknown
So that’s pretty much the way that you, do this blueprint. It’s really, really simple. There’s many layers to this blueprint. So today I’m just going to go through really kind of high. Obviously we can go right into it, from an astrological point of view. But today I’m just going to talk about the, psychological archetypes in three of the houses and, and the psychological archetypes, really, just so that for those that don’t know what is a psychological archetype, these characters, let’s call them characters that we carry within us, and they’re just patterns that play out unconsciously.
00:04:24:06 – 00:04:48:00
Unknown
We are not consciously aware of them. And so what this does, a blueprint, gives us a visual map of what they’re doing and how they’re playing out. And, it is really important to understand that they are there to teach us, to protect us, to help us belong and to keep us safe. So they’re not, when I go through them, they’re not.
00:04:48:00 – 00:05:10:10
Unknown
You know, if we talk about a saboteur in The Inner Critic, they’re not bad. They’re actually there for a reason. Okay. And, Annie, I know you’ve been a practicing astrologer for a while, so. And you just. Yeah. And you just completed the program. Paint us a little picture of how working with this astro life blueprint has helped you.
00:05:10:10 – 00:05:43:14
Unknown
When you’re looking at your chart or when you’re looking at a client’s chart, how has this enhanced the way that you’re actually practicing astrology? I find that it’s a it’s a really good tool to integrate psychology and coaching with the astrology. I would say more for people who might not be as comfortable with the astrological language. It’s a really good tool to kind of dive into the archetypes per se, without the whole complexity of the astrological chart, of the natal chart, of the transits, of the progressions of the Profections, all of that kind of stuff.
00:05:43:20 – 00:06:05:07
Unknown
So it’s a really good way to dive in deep, but without all of the complexity. I would say for like a client who’s more of a beginner into the language of astrology and you’re mainly looking at their natal design, you’re mainly looking at their like the aspects of their personality and their their path and their soul, and not as much about timing.
00:06:05:07 – 00:06:29:13
Unknown
Is that correct? When I practice astrology, I use for example, evolutionary astrology and psychological astrology, a little bit of the timing techniques as well. What I find. So that’s when I look at either the natal chart or the transits, or the aspects, those kinds of things. When when I use the Astro Life Blueprint, we’re really looking at it.
00:06:29:13 – 00:06:48:18
Unknown
And Catherine can maybe explain it a little bit more in detail when we look at the houses, but I’ll use it. It’s not the natal chart per se. We’re really kind of looking at the areas of life of the individual and looking at where they feel they have gaps and in which areas of their life. So it is astral.
00:06:48:21 – 00:07:15:16
Unknown
I don’t know if I could say this, Katherine astrology infused, but it’s not the person’s chart. It’s it’s astrologically inspired. And exactly what I’m hearing is that it’s more based around the houses, which is basically the areas of life. Yes. And identifying where people feel like something is important to them, but also where they might not really be showing up to their fullest capacity.
00:07:15:18 – 00:07:40:03
Unknown
So let me ask you this. Once somebody finds a gap, so let’s say they go through all 12 houses and they identify, maybe they’re top three biggest gaps between something they value, something important to them and how they feel they’re doing in that area of life. What comes next? Oh so easy. So so as any alluded to there, there are many layers.
00:07:40:03 – 00:07:56:19
Unknown
But what we’re going to be focusing on today is really it’s a one on one coaching scenario where they fill this out as a tool. And so let’s say they get they have a gap in the first house. So if you have a look at it, even if you wave in astrology the first house is very much the house of Aries.
00:07:56:19 – 00:08:17:00
Unknown
It’s about our self-identity in our appearance. It’s the way that we show up. It’s the way that we project ourselves in the world. And so here it’s also the the different masks we wear, the different personas that we wear, and the quite often we wear some of well, some of us have been wearing these masks for such a long time.
00:08:17:00 – 00:08:52:05
Unknown
We are not even consciously aware that we’re still wearing them. However, there’s what happens in in this house there is a light and shadow to every aspect. So for this house, this shadow here is feeling unseen under valued and, not not feeling safe enough to be my authentic self, but in light. So when you think about being able to express myself, to fully step in to my power and be confident with visibility, so you can see that every house has a light and shadow.
00:08:52:07 – 00:09:18:19
Unknown
So when we see that there’s the biggest back, the biggest gap in the house, this is where we look at this psychological archetype and the cycle. I could talk today. The psychological archetype in the first house is very much the mask. Now the mask is the persona we play. And for us, we wear many masks, different, you know, different areas of our lives that we might wear a mask at work.
00:09:18:19 – 00:09:39:02
Unknown
We might wear a mask, at home, we want to wear a mask when we’re at it, when we’re thinking about health and fitness. And so here we have to understand that every psychological archetype has a purpose. So I always say with that psychological archetype, you can’t kill them, you can’t drown them. You can’t get rid of them.
00:09:39:07 – 00:10:08:12
Unknown
The only way is to integrate and work with them. And so here when when you look at the purpose, what is the purpose of our masks? What the purpose of our mask is really for us to be able to fit in, to be accepted. It’s that simple. Then you look at the secondary gain and these once you understand the house and where the gap is, and you can start asking questions around the psychological archetype, the secondary gain here for us, the secondary gain is what is the benefit?
00:10:08:15 – 00:10:32:15
Unknown
Why am I hanging on to wearing this mask. And so it’s as simple as it allows me to feel in control of how I’m perceived, and therefore I’m avoiding rejection and judgment. And then the third piece we look at is what is it protecting us from? So what is it protecting me from by hanging on to this mask.
00:10:32:21 – 00:11:06:16
Unknown
So it’s protecting me from, fear with, being seen as inadequate, incompetent, unworthy, or even failing to meet other people’s expectations of me. So here then you can start asking your coaching client, where in your life are you hiding behind an image rather than being your authentic self? So what it does, it really drives you as a coach to ask the questions, understanding that the biggest gap is because they’re wearing a mask.
00:11:06:18 – 00:11:39:09
Unknown
This they’re afraid of being your authentic true self. Does that help? Okay, so you’re saying where there’s the biggest gap the psychological archetype is at play. The you already identified that. And then you can ask questions around what you’re getting for being for like acting out or being in that psychological archetype. Perfect always. Because it does. It has a purpose.
00:11:39:11 – 00:11:57:09
Unknown
And there’s a benefit. Like we hang on to it like a security blanket, and then it’s protecting us, but then we go at what cost. Okay. So what do you get. And then what do you lose. Yeah. At what cost. Well at what cost. It’s it’s exhausting to be somebody else and wear this mask the whole time.
00:11:57:09 – 00:12:16:09
Unknown
I can’t be myself. I’m always holding back myself from being who I really want to be. Yeah. So so that’s what we do with every house. So obviously there is the, the, the way that we do it when we go into the layers, which I won’t go into today, is we look at the ruler of each house.
00:12:16:14 – 00:12:40:18
Unknown
The rule of the first house is Mars. So quite often Mars is in shadow. That’s, that’s that’s why we wave in the astrology aspect into it. Okay. So okay so you look at the house, you know, look at the ruler of the house and that ruler of the house is but not on the natal chart. Just like the natural zodiac, the natural.
00:12:40:20 – 00:13:07:15
Unknown
And then what. That then, then you look at the, the shadow aspects of that planetary archetype as well as that into the whole, like analysis of what you’re seeing. Yeah. That’s correct. Correct. And then once the person identifies these things, do you find that just the awareness alone is enough to start dissolving it? Or like, what do they need to do in order to move beyond that?
00:13:07:15 – 00:13:27:16
Unknown
And maybe we go to another example. Maybe we go to the third hand. Well, I love that question. And so the thing is just just being aware that I’m wearing a mask because I’m hiding behind this mask just to be accepted by external. And then it could be simple, less I need to be more authentic self without worrying about what other people think of me.
00:13:27:18 – 00:13:47:07
Unknown
And so then what does that look like? Well, then every single day I’m going to stand in my truth. And if I feel like I need to say something rather than hold back because I’m afraid of what people might think of me or judge me, I’m just going to say it so once you become aware of the psychological archetype, it loosens the boundaries.
00:13:47:13 – 00:14:12:01
Unknown
What happens and you’re working with it instead of it running the show. And if I can share maybe my personal example here and to illustrate also what this could look like. Because this is definitely me, which is a big part of who I am. And what I love about this tool is that it’s a it really is a great coaching tool.
00:14:12:03 – 00:14:43:08
Unknown
For example, in my case, it just so happens to be exactly my story, being a psychologist and very being very much in my head and being very scientific in my approach and then having the biggest Uranus opposition mid-life crisis transit ever. And I feel our stories are very similar. And I was living in the biggest city in Canada, Toronto, and I was, you know, at the height of my corporate life, 25 years as an organizational psychologist and coaching, assessing and training leaders.
00:14:43:10 – 00:15:11:03
Unknown
And my mom got diagnosed with breast cancer, as did her sister and her mom before her. And so, you know, I was in my early 40s then, and I was like, wow, who’s next? You know, and not just really blew open my whole life. I was like, you know, do I want to continue down this road in the next 40 years or 5 or 10 or I don’t know how many years I’ll have, you know.
00:15:11:05 – 00:15:37:02
Unknown
And I decided to leave. The person I was with, leave my partner, leave my home, I moved, I change my careers. I started working for myself, I work, I live in Mexico now and I following this transit. Actually, I went to see an astrologer because I was completely lost. I felt like I was in the middle of the ocean, like in a little life raft, and I had left the shore behind me, but I had no idea.
00:15:37:02 – 00:15:56:01
Unknown
I felt like I was in the middle of a storm, really. I could not see the shore in front. I had no idea where I was going, and I’ve always been the most ambitious person I knew exactly when I was in my 20s and 30s. Like, this is where I’m going. This is the next step. I got promotion after promotion and now I’m completely lost for the first time in my life.
00:15:56:05 – 00:16:17:15
Unknown
No idea where I’m going. And I discovered astrology and the astrologer told me within five minutes who I am, my personality, my strengths, all of those things and gave me so much clarity on my relationship with my parents. Like everything, I was like, how do you know this? In five minutes I have to learn this. And then I went on a path to learn astrology.
00:16:17:17 – 00:16:37:24
Unknown
But I had this whole mask of like, this is who I am. I’m not an astrologer, you know, this is not scientific. This is, you know, I’m a psychologist. So all of that, who am I? The identity, all of that. And then studying astrology, falling in love with it and but yet still hiding that part of me from people who knew me in my professional network, you know?
00:16:38:01 – 00:16:59:23
Unknown
But then seeing the transformational power of it, I, you know, I decided I had no other choice but to start helping people the way that I was helped. And then I started integrating psychology and astrology. So that’s my story. But I hid for a really long time. I did not want to show people who I am, and also I didn’t know who I was becoming, you know?
00:16:59:23 – 00:17:37:07
Unknown
And actually, Amanda, you really helped you in your podcast. I started listening to the podcast. I would say 2019, like right before the pandemic. And thanks to to your podcast, you know, I was able to understand myself better and really like, meet so many wonderful astrologers and listen to to their stories as well. And it’s been transformational. And so, you know, if I’m using the blueprint, for example, with, with a coaching client, I don’t have to see their natal chart, I can just start to unpack if that’s where the biggest gap is, is in the first house is their identity and the people pleasing and all of that kind of stuff.
00:17:37:07 – 00:18:00:07
Unknown
If I can see that that’s where their gap is, I start asking questions around that. Like Catherine pointed out now, it just also happens that I also have. Personally, I’m a Libra sun in Libra, Pluto and Mars conjunct my son in Libra in the first house. So it just so happens that exactly everything that Catherine was talking about is exactly my story.
00:18:00:09 – 00:18:25:10
Unknown
The fear of shining my light and all of that. The people pleasing and you know, the image that I hold up to the world and the identity, like all of that is wrapped up in my story. But as a coach, if I’m using the Astro Life Blueprint, it is as powerful and I don’t have to go into all of the intricacies of the natal chart with my coaching client, we end up getting there in a different way, if that makes sense.
00:18:25:14 – 00:18:46:20
Unknown
It really does. And I bet under. First of all, thank you for sharing your story. I was literally like nodding my head, going, oh my gosh, we do. Yeah, but I’m sure a lot of people out there are nodding their heads, going, oh my gosh, me too, because you are describing the process of transformation that so many of us embark upon when we hear that call of the soul.
00:18:46:22 – 00:19:11:03
Unknown
Yeah. And that just so happened to be what was happening with your Uranus opposition, which is like perfectly by design, by the way. Right. Midlife transits are designed to help us, Campbell Catapult and really get realigned if we’re not already aligned. Right, exactly. Yeah. But what I love about what I’m hearing is that this is like another entry point into the conversation.
00:19:11:03 – 00:19:42:18
Unknown
For people. It sounds a lot less intimidating, honestly, because sometimes the astro language is just like the people I see them like. Their eyes kind of glaze over or like, you know, just kind of like what, what Uranus did what and Saturn is doing, like, it’s because it’s just that not everybody speaks. And so this is but I’m what I’m what I’m thinking, Annie, is that perhaps because you, you know, the language, it’s another asset for you as you’re learning.
00:19:42:18 – 00:20:04:18
Unknown
That’s the life blueprint because you do already know. So very familiar. You’re very familiar with those archetypes, archetypes in the energies and the way they play out. And yes, I mean, are you seeing that? Because I know, like, you guys have actually created a cohort that goes through the rise and thrive Coaching Academy just for Astrology Hub students because they are versed in the language.
00:20:04:18 – 00:20:22:19
Unknown
And you probably can take it a little bit further than you can with coaches who don’t speak the language at all. Is that true? Like, I’m kind of putting words in your mouth, not 100%. So you don’t have. I mean, we have had quite a few students from Astrology Hub and some, some have been doing astrology for 30 years.
00:20:22:19 – 00:20:46:07
Unknown
Some are just starting. So that’s the beautiful thing about this tool. You don’t need to be an astrologist. You don’t need to know astrology. Like even going through the houses and looking at the rulers. When you look at the psychological archetype, people are seeing the connection already. But even without having to ask somebody, because not everyone’s forthcoming about, you know, giving out their details at the time about their place of birth and, and so forth.
00:20:46:07 – 00:21:09:03
Unknown
So this is just another way of intertwining astrology in coaching without having to be complex about, you know, for example, if we were to look at the third house, the rule of third house is Mercury. It’s simple, but because we know Mercury loves to communicate, but it’s not just about. And this is the other thing too, about these two is this what about external?
00:21:09:03 – 00:21:31:00
Unknown
We talk a lot about external internal. It’s about the way that we the internal dialogs, the way that we speak to ourselves. And so if we look at, the third house, it’s not just about the, the, the words. It’s the way that we think, the ideas that, you know, take flight to be the way that we connect through our conversations.
00:21:31:02 – 00:21:50:21
Unknown
And so here when we look at if I, if I might unpack the third house a little bit, just to give you a little bit more insight, if that would be okay. Amanda. Oh, I love it. I love it for any of you who are following along and you’ve already started filling out your, you know, what’s important to me and what are the two questions again with so so how satisfied am I in this house?
00:21:50:21 – 00:22:12:09
Unknown
So for example, I might say, well, how satisfied in my, my, in my finances I might go, well, I’m probably That’s right. And how important is it to me? I would say ten. So then you can say the big gap, right? So that’s, that’s what you do for each house. So the third house is based on communication.
00:22:12:09 – 00:22:38:10
Unknown
So here, when this housing in shadow, it means that we feel unheard. We’re struggling to express ourself. We’re struggling to even stand in our truth. But then in Lodge we’re really comfortable with, conversation. We’re curious. We’re really good with our communication, the way that we express ourselves. And the psychological archetype in this one is the overthinker. Right.
00:22:38:13 – 00:22:59:03
Unknown
So you think about Mercury. It does a lot of thinking, right? So when you think about the overthink it, well what’s the purpose of the overthinker. And so here the purpose for me is to if I’m in my head all the time over process, over and over thinking, then I’m disconnected from my heart and I have to avoid I can I don’t need to delve in here.
00:22:59:03 – 00:23:37:08
Unknown
I can avoid any emotional engagement. So that’s the purpose of this psychological archetype. The second you gain here, it gives me some sense of control, right? Because it’s initiates preventing me from getting uncomfortable or feeling any form of discomfort when it comes to feelings or emotions, we actually have a feelings. You’d be quite surprised how many individuals find a really to one articulate, articulate a feelings, or even getting in touch with their emotions because they’ve been so conditioned not to feel so we have a feeling wheel to help them, with that.
00:23:37:10 – 00:24:12:12
Unknown
And then you go, well, what is this archetype protecting me from? It’s protecting me from emotional vulnerability. And it’s also, protecting me from, looking, you know, appearing, intellectually, you know, like, it’s, it’s for me when I, when I, for me, it’s it’s protecting me from, Oh, the word is not coming out right now for me, but it’s protecting me from being, like, intellectually inferior.
00:24:12:17 – 00:24:49:14
Unknown
Yes. It makes me think of, like, how emotions can get labeled as, like, hysterical or rational or, you know, those things. And so being in your head all the time enables you to avoid. Yes, I like that 100%. Yeah. And so as a coach then you’d be asking the the coach like how does over analyze you over analyzing, over thinking or over processing preventing you from feeling from expressing your emotions, from trusting your intuition.
00:24:49:16 – 00:25:23:01
Unknown
And and is there a safety element to to that? Because I went see that a lot of times people don’t feel safe. Yeah. Enough to to be in that vulnerable sort of heart based expression. And so maybe there’s certain times or certain people where they feel more or less, but, you know, how does that come in? Like how much does the external situation the person is in, how much does that dictate how you would guide or lead them?
00:25:23:03 – 00:25:44:15
Unknown
So what we do is we always, in our sessions, a lot of the individuals are being taught to focus externally. So it’s about the other person. The event is a relationship. It’s never about the relationship. It’s never about the other person. It’s never about the career or anything external of that. It’s always about our source because we are 100% projecting.
00:25:44:17 – 00:26:08:12
Unknown
And these psychological archetypes, they are there to protect us, to help us belong, which is the number one human need and to keep us safe always. So this is why it’s really important for us to, because they want to be seen, heard and valued just like we do. So they play a role. And the moment we understand, they play a role and they have a purpose.
00:26:08:14 – 00:26:29:21
Unknown
It’s so easy to work with them. And it’s so easy then to make the changes, because I can’t tell you how many people say, you know, it’s a different year in a different relation. It’s the same pattern over and over again. That’s the psychological archetype running the show. And when you think about it, we haven’t been taught in school how to feel.
00:26:29:21 – 00:26:53:07
Unknown
Our emotions and emotions are in our body and we are so in our head, most of us. And we’re not taught that at school very rarely, you know. And so the world of emotions, there’s this great app that I just discovered called How We Feel. It’s helped so many of my clients because just the language of emotions, we don’t other than I feel good, I feel bad.
00:26:53:08 – 00:27:24:07
Unknown
So many people have difficulty. I identifying, you know, what exactly am I feeling? Good. Proud. Good. Elated. Good. Witch. Good. Right? So if we were taught at least in school, what emotions feel like, where are they in our body? You know, there’s no good or bad emotions. There’s just emotions and that’s life. And we cycle through them. But, you know, unless you’re facing an emotion like grief, for example, which really is kind of like a roller coaster ride, you know, you’re working one day and then you the grief just just comes and you start crying.
00:27:24:07 – 00:27:48:14
Unknown
It can happen, right? It just overall, it can overwhelm you. Unless it’s that type of emotion, then it’s easier to to bring it below the surface and keep it there until later on. As Catherine was saying, it keeps showing up just with different masks in different situations, with different people. So but feeling emotions, we we are not taught that in school unfortunately.
00:27:48:14 – 00:28:18:00
Unknown
So we don’t learn how and it remains uncomfortable. Well, and not only at school, right at home. I mean, you, the folks that are raising us also did not learn how to deal. Yeah. And and I, I and this is a this is a jump that I’m making. But when people join the program and I because I know a big part of your program is actually each coach is going through this process themselves, actually getting coaching as they’re learning how to be a coach.
00:28:18:02 – 00:28:47:19
Unknown
Yeah. Do you see that people’s lives transform, meaning do they need to be ready for some level of transformation? Because I would imagine, like, let’s just take the first house or the even the third house, the ones that you’ve done that when people start standing in their truth, for example, when people drop the masks, for example, that it does shake the foundations of what they’ve built on some level.
00:28:47:21 – 00:29:18:06
Unknown
So how does that play out? Or how do you see it? Well, I will I’ll say what I say now, probably, sorry, right over to you. And because you’ve experienced it yourself. But what I say is and that’s why we say we guarantee everyone goes through a transformation, because we see once they do the deep work on themselves, they, you know, change jobs, they leave, their partners, they, you know, these countries, they, start their own business.
00:29:18:06 – 00:29:43:10
Unknown
It’s amazing. The transformation is, you know, some people have just decided to quit and get up and and go, you know, it’s it’s amazing the changes, but, well, maybe any you can describe a little bit more. Yeah. Can I just say something real quick though, because I’m imagining the Amanda sitting in New York City prior to my huge like, transition and transformation and overhaul.
00:29:43:12 – 00:30:02:12
Unknown
And had you told that, Amanda that she would end up going through this big transformation, that that made her get to a point where her marriage no longer worked? She our financial reality was in complete shambles. You know, I was I don’t know if I would have gone I think I would have been terrified of that. Right. Like I would have.
00:30:02:16 – 00:30:28:01
Unknown
Oh, oh, my God, that’s too scary. So I don’t know if you can speak to that any. Yeah, sure. I and I think people go in as far as the transformation goes as far as they really want to. Yeah. Right. So so there’s that. And I would have to say in my opinion we self-select for this program in that I don’t know anybody who wasn’t really ready for a transformation.
00:30:28:01 – 00:30:47:13
Unknown
Somehow. All right. And everyone I know that was in the program, whether it’s, you know, students that I’ve coached through the program or that I was in the cohort with, like, we’ve all changed on some level. Yeah. So you can go as deep or as shallow as you want, but there, yeah, there is a transformation for sure.
00:30:47:13 – 00:31:09:07
Unknown
The program is designed to that way. And honestly, in my opinion, it’s really hard to be an effective coach if you haven’t gone through a certain form of transformation yourself. Oh yeah. Because it can be felt that there’s not that that level of embodiment. Yeah. Speaking from some level of experience, not that you’ve experienced what everybody else has experienced, but when you’ve gone through it, then you can speak to it differently.
00:31:09:09 – 00:31:34:09
Unknown
Exactly. I love what you’re talking about too, because this is this is the unstuck part. This is the like any of you out there who are feeling like there’s something else, there’s something calling me, I feel stuck, I feel stagnant, I feel bored, I feel like there’s more like I’m here for something more. This is those are the soul level calls that start to creep in when you are ready.
00:31:34:11 – 00:31:55:20
Unknown
And. And I don’t know about you, Annie or and Catherine, I do know your story, but, Annie. And my story is almost identical in a way that the next go I end up in Hawaii, but, like, very similar. I did say, I remember stating I am ready for my destiny. I like I’m ready. Like I said, that I didn’t know what that meant, but I was ready.
00:31:55:20 – 00:32:10:14
Unknown
It was like. And I call it like the sacred. Yes. You know, so any feeling that, like, I’m ready for that sacred. I’m. I’m ready to say yes. Then it sounds like something like this would be amazing. It could be amazing. Okay, let’s talk about the eighth house, Catherine, because I know we are going to go through three examples.
00:32:10:16 – 00:32:32:17
Unknown
Yeah, but I just want to remind you all, you have access for free to the Astro Life Blueprint and the two hour video that Catherine created that goes through all the houses. So you can see where your gaps are. Then you’re going to get some some like free coaching from Catherine on what what that means and what kind of questions can lead you to becoming more satisfied in these important areas in your life.
00:32:32:19 – 00:33:04:24
Unknown
Yeah. And I just wanted to also share that sometimes we have individuals that join the program, not for themselves but to help others. And so it’s true that then they go oh my god I didn’t even know that’s what I was going through. I couldn’t even put a word to it. I couldn’t contextualize what I didn’t even know is people pleasing, you know, so when as soon as I start doing the work and realizing that there’s that I can actually put that can put a name to what is going on in their life that changes in an instant.
00:33:05:05 – 00:33:23:16
Unknown
Wow. Yeah, yeah. So I did. So with that, there is another one that I if I’ve got time for two and I’ll go really quickly. There is another one that I say quite often I wanted to bring up, the, the people pleasing one, which is a common one. So this is in the seventh house, which is a hassid Libra.
00:33:23:16 – 00:34:03:15
Unknown
And the ruler here is Venus. So I hear the house when it’s in shadow, it’s feeling undervalued under recognized, not seen or heard or valued in relationship. In light I feel in harmony. I feel mutual respect. I feel like I’m connected. The psychological archetype here is a people pleaser. And so the people pleaser here, its purpose is to prioritize the needs of others to maintain, a harmonious relationship by avoiding conflict.
00:34:03:17 – 00:34:30:24
Unknown
So that’s the purpose of this archetype, the people pleaser. So then you got to ask, what what am I getting for? What’s the secondary gain here? Well, I’m getting harmony. I’m feeling that, my feelings are being, valued, being met in some way. Right? And then you go, what’s it protecting me from? Well, it’s protecting me from fear of abandonment, which we’ve all experienced in some.
00:34:31:00 – 00:35:01:23
Unknown
Some more than others. So feels abandonment, fear of rejection, fear of being unworthy of love. So here you would say, well, where are you sacrificing your needs to maintain harmony in relationship? Because if you get triggered in relationship, that means in some way, shape or form, your needs are not being met or your boundaries are being compromised. So that’s the seventh house, and now we’ll go to the eighth house to wrap it up.
00:35:02:00 – 00:35:26:21
Unknown
So the eighth house is the house is Scorpio. And here, well, it depends on the ruler whether it’s the traditional or the modern ruler. So whether it’s Mars or Pluto. But here in the eighth house, we look at this house when it’s in shadow, we feel very much disempowered. We feel, like even like our power is not being seen.
00:35:26:21 – 00:36:01:15
Unknown
We’ve been ignored in some way, shape or form. And in light it’s the opposite, right? In light I feel empowered. I feel a deep sense of trust in from my and transformation and growth. The psychological archetype is the saboteur, and the saboteur does have a place. It serves us in some way. So the purpose of the saboteur, it what it does, it destroys or undermines any intimacy, power or anything before can be taken away from us.
00:36:01:16 – 00:36:30:06
Unknown
So I’d rather me, not not participate in it rather than in been taking taken away from me. And I see this myself in relationships. I sabotage my relationships. So I’d rather me being in control. And they’ve seen before the other way around, right. And then you go, well, what’s the, the the secondary gain here? Why is this psychological archetype, why am I hanging on to it?
00:36:30:08 – 00:36:55:14
Unknown
And so you look and you go, well, it’s it’s giving me a sense of control. This way I can’t be tried. Or why experience betrayal, loss or being vulnerable. And then you go to go. Okay. So what’s it protecting me from? Is protecting me from feeling powerless? Manipulate it deeply exposed. So here you go. Well, how are you self-sabotaging?
00:36:55:14 – 00:37:06:22
Unknown
It depends what area of your life, so that you don’t have to face your own vulnerability and your own transformation.
00:37:06:24 – 00:37:41:23
Unknown
There’s some powerful stuff. Yeah. That one. Like, it’s also protecting your self image because not rejection can be so devastating to the self-image or the self-confidence. So in a way the saboteur is like, look you don’t have to go through that. Yeah. And or that ever happens to you. Yeah. Oh don’t get too close. You know, just keep this, this wall here hidden so you don’t have to open up your heart fully just in case they do wrong by you or just be just in case they leave you, because you’ve always got that sense of control.
00:37:42:00 – 00:38:06:05
Unknown
It’s like I knew they were going to do that anyway. Oh, wow. Okay. You all feel this, that this is some deep, deep work. And so you’re doing this within within a business setting, like with leaders like, tell me, tell us about like where this is mainly being applied when you’re everywhere. Yeah. And activations all levels leaders all levels up to executive.
00:38:06:05 – 00:38:27:09
Unknown
Absolutely. Yeah. You have to give a warning to the companies that their, their leaders may quit. Yeah. Yes I know what I actually think I have, I have yeah. Oh yeah I was like, you know, I’ve done it twice actually. I’m like, you know, if we’re doing this, it is possible that they may not choose to stay in their current job.
00:38:27:09 – 00:38:52:04
Unknown
You know, that you’re okay, you’re going to pay for this. And they said yes. Yeah. In one case the person stayed and actually got promoted. In the other case, they left. But the truth is you want people in your company that actually want to be there, and it is actually lined with their like purpose and their calling. And if it’s not, it’s probably better that they’re not there because on some level, they’re probably sabotaging the success of the company because there’s that’s it, just sabotaging their own selves.
00:38:52:06 – 00:39:17:12
Unknown
Right. Exactly. So, so, so at a very aware kind of, leader I think would be fine with that would be. Okay. So you’re doing better. You’re doing it in all settings. It’s not just in the business setting, it’s in all different kinds of settings. Give us. Yeah I mean we, we do this with a lot of corporate corporations where they do the your life blueprint and it’s, it’s to me it’s magical.
00:39:17:12 – 00:39:47:21
Unknown
You get straight to the point. There’s no, there’s no, you know, fluffing around. It’s like it goes it goes in deep, quickly because because it actually as soon as, you know, with the biggest gap in the, the biggest gap, then you know, the archetype you’re working with, you can ask questions around that. It yeah. It’s so fascinating to me because it just shows how this archetypal language speaks to all of us.
00:39:47:23 – 00:40:08:22
Unknown
I mean, it is truly we’re in a universe where we’re playing out these archetypal stories like we’re actually living them, and that’s fine. It can go right to the heart of things. And that’s why all of us can probably feel some aspect of ourselves in all of the archetypes we’ve even just talked about today, but that there’s a shared humanity in that.
00:40:09:03 – 00:40:31:19
Unknown
And I can just a level of compassion that would come through for yourself, for other people who are also playing out these archetypes in your life, you know? Okay, so tell us a little bit about ICF accreditation, because I don’t really know what that means. I know there’s people in our audience who have reached out and said that they’re interested in joining your coaching app, meaning like they they’re already coaches.
00:40:31:21 – 00:40:58:10
Unknown
They want to coach with Rise and Thrive. But there’s something specific about ICF accreditation for coaches. And Catherine, can you tell us a little bit about what that is and why it’s so important. Absolutely. So so ICF is International Coaching Federation. They’re a global organization. And a lot of cooperation these days because there are millions of coaches out there, millions and millions of coaches out there.
00:40:58:12 – 00:41:18:17
Unknown
The difference that that working with corporate clients or getting clients is your accreditation and I I’ll let I’ll, throw it over to you. And because you’ve experienced this yourself, so, so to, to be accredited for us a lot, all the clients we work with, they ask for a credential. So they want to see the credentials, a certification, the credentials.
00:41:18:19 – 00:41:41:10
Unknown
So for us you do need to be ICF accredited to work because everything we do is even the app, all of all of the coaches on ICF certified or accredited. And did you want to share your story about. Yes. So I became an executive coach years ago, let’s say a couple of decades ago, that school is ICF accredited, but that’s a level one.
00:41:41:10 – 00:42:04:00
Unknown
So OCC accreditation, whereas Catherine School is the level two PCC accreditation. And the letters are really important in the corporate world. And so I did three coaching certifications in between. And a life coaching, feminist coaching, deep dive coaching. And neither one of those, they were great, but they were not ICF certified. And so I was looking for personally like the next level of accreditation.
00:42:04:02 – 00:42:25:00
Unknown
And so that’s also why I chose Catherine School, and also because I heard Catherine on your wonderful podcast, and I was like, this is it. This is the bridge for me to bridge the passion for astrology and the passion for coaching. What I love of Catherine School really, is that there’s that combination of rigor and care that I personally have not seen anywhere else.
00:42:25:02 – 00:42:46:01
Unknown
And now that I’ve gone through in school and we start to submit recordings and it’s it’s a very, very rigorous process. What it gives is kind of like that seal of approval or that certification for hiring companies. If someone wants to work in a corporate setting, for example, to kind of show, you know what, you have the rigor.
00:42:46:01 – 00:43:09:23
Unknown
It also you need the number of hours to be a PCC level coach. For example, you need I think it’s 750 coaching hours, for example. So there is that rigor, there is that experience, there is that knowledge. And so to me that was a really important criteria for choosing a school because employers and, you know, organizations, consulting firms, etc. look for that seal of approval, basically.
00:43:09:23 – 00:43:32:08
Unknown
Wow. I bet it protects them on some level, right? They yeah. Like, you know, legally and for insurance. And it probably gives them that like feather in their cap that they’re doing their due diligence. Yeah. Working with accredited, people. And it makes me so happy that this was that bridge for you, because when I first met Catherine and we.
00:43:32:10 – 00:43:54:09
Unknown
I first met her, we had our first conversation. I went, oh, my God, this could be so perfect for people in our audience who love astrology and want a really clear way to apply it. That doesn’t really that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re they have to create their own astrology practice. Like maybe they want to integrate several different things.
00:43:54:09 – 00:44:23:13
Unknown
Maybe they they maybe they want a clear path for like actually getting work, which, Catherine, I know that you provide through the school for your students who actually go through the entire program, who pass at a certain level. They then have the opportunity to work with you and work for you, which is just amazing, right? Because a lot of people into astrology, they they aren’t necessarily wanting to be entrepreneurs, so to speak, like, they don’t they don’t want to self-promote.
00:44:23:13 – 00:44:42:11
Unknown
They don’t want to like, the social media channel and like, do all the things. Some are brilliant at that, but others aren’t interested. They want to do the thing. They want to do the craft. So, Catherine, can you speak to that? Like what? This path, how it looks for your students. Absolutely. So it is self-paced.
00:44:42:11 – 00:45:04:15
Unknown
So that’s a beautiful thing because we have people from all walks of life. Some are working full time, some of part time and not working at all. So this is self-paced. It is we say 12 months with people can finish it shorter. And literally there are the only things that, kind of sit over the 12 month period is your, your ten mentoring sessions, which is what I was talking about.
00:45:04:17 – 00:45:24:19
Unknown
And they, basically, once, you are mapped into like grouped into a group of three, by the way. So there’s always a coach, a coaching and an observer. We look at time like time zones as well, making sure that the groups are going to be from the same time zone because they catch up outside of these sessions as well, which is really cool.
00:45:24:19 – 00:45:45:24
Unknown
And they some have actually, you know, they live in different states and they fly over to catch up with one another. It’s just beautiful. The community that, it’s a, it’s real, a family. So, so yeah. So it is self-paced. The only thing is that the ten mentoring sessions, and then the thing is also the classes we run classes all the time.
00:45:45:24 – 00:46:09:07
Unknown
So you get to choose what classes suit you, your and your time zone. So that’s a beautiful thing. We you get a lot of support. Any. Is there anything else that you want to, share about your experience at the school? I honestly, the the level of the teachings is unparalleled. You know, it really, really is. I absolutely loved, you know, the sessions, the teachings, the mentoring.
00:46:09:09 – 00:46:26:07
Unknown
Yeah. You have no other choice but to. But to go deep and to get to know yourself better. Really? Which one? Yeah. And everyone is so helpful. Like. And that’s why I say no one ever fails because even the assessors, I go through the workbooks and they they guiding you on how to, you know, to get to the right answers.
00:46:26:07 – 00:46:52:20
Unknown
And so it’s a beautiful ecosystem. Okay. And so you are we are starting another astrology hub cohort. So any of you out there going oh my God, this is it. This is what I want to do. We are starting in June. There are 16 spots. Is that right? Catherine? There’s actually 1212 oh 1212 spots, you guys. So if this is calling to you, now is the time.
00:46:52:20 – 00:47:14:05
Unknown
And you can you can do a one time investment or you can pay monthly, right, Catherine. That’s correct. Yep. So for they want to make this accessible for you to join. And can we talk just a tiny bit more about. First of all we’re going to put the link in the show notes as well. If you are interested in joining this next cohort that begins in June.
00:47:14:07 – 00:47:32:13
Unknown
Can you tell us about what happens after graduation? So you go through the whole program, you took the time you needed to do it, and then after graduation, what happens? So then you can actually come and work with us. So there’s different ways you can work with us. So Annie’s actually just started with the academy. She’s, one of our teachers now.
00:47:32:15 – 00:47:50:00
Unknown
And also is on the app, and she just put herself on the app and will will help, with corporate. So there’s options for you. You can either become, a coach on the app where you, you basically pick the hours that you’re available. And this is where it’s, once again, it suits with your full time, part timer.
00:47:50:02 – 00:48:08:05
Unknown
Some people want to test the waters first, so they they they might just do. And it depends too, because of the different out. So in Australia there’s the I know there’s some, individuals I’ve got children and they work at night time, which is morning over in the US. So they, you know, it’s beautiful because we’ve got clients all over the world.
00:48:08:05 – 00:48:29:08
Unknown
So then you can pick your time, or if you don’t want to be working on the app and you’ve done corporate work, like Annie, for example. So Annie’s in the academy also will be helping us with corporate work. Another we’ve got, research work with, a university as well. So there’s, there’s lots of opportunities with you, the academy that has job placement, I don’t know any other academy.
00:48:29:08 – 00:48:54:00
Unknown
So I’m only going by from array a research, but I don’t know any other academy out there that has job placement. I mean, it’s so religious. It’s amazing. I mean, this to me feels like a dream come true. Also, for those of you who want to eventually be teachers, like there’s a lot of people interested in astrology and coaching and psychology in these things that really go beautifully together, who who are great teachers.
00:48:54:00 – 00:49:19:24
Unknown
And so for them to have a path that could include teaching some day like that is amazing. That you can teach and you can write and you can do some of these other expressions of these helping, professions. So that is amazing. Okay. Anything else? Annie and Catherine, you want to say to our wonderful community out there, the people that are like, oh my gosh, this this could be for me.
00:49:20:01 – 00:49:42:20
Unknown
Oh, and also, I wanted to let you know that when the June cohort gets filled up, we are going to go to, I think, a waiting list. Or maybe there would be like a spillover, but, but if you want to get started right now, this is definitely the time to hop in. Yeah. And we have now we’ve graduated, I think, like over maybe close to 30 people through the program.
00:49:42:20 – 00:50:10:17
Unknown
I think it’s 36. Yeah, I think yeah, there’s been I think that 3630 program. Yes. I got to meet one in one of the graduates in Texas actually recently fun is graduating from Rising Thrive. I’m like, oh my God. Oh wow. So anything else you want to leave us with as we close up? Yeah, I would say, as you’ve said before, Amanda, if you’re feeling the call and the inclination, you will not regret it, you’re in for a treat.
00:50:10:17 – 00:50:29:20
Unknown
Like, really? I would highly encourage you to sign up and I can maybe offer this Amanda, if people aren’t quite sure and they’re really kind of on the fence. I mean, we can do a coffee chat 15, 20 minutes. I can connect with them and, you know, talk a little bit more about my experience, get to know them and answer their questions, you know, if it can help.
00:50:29:22 – 00:50:49:12
Unknown
But yeah, like, honestly, you’re in for a treat. Best academy. That’s what I love about you guys too. There’s such a personal touch, there’s such a human touch. And I’ve noticed that with every cohort that we’ve sent through the program, it’s like you, Catherine, and her team are hands on. You’re not just like, through the self-study, self-paced thing.
00:50:49:14 – 00:51:18:10
Unknown
You’re. You’re engaged and you’re getting feedback and you’re getting human connection, which more and more these days, that’s becoming very rare. So, yeah, you know, 100% and I think also I should mention that apart from the when I say it’s self-paced, we have Q&A, every month, twice a month. We have masterclasses. We have we have a lot of additional classes, that are not part of the academy because I always say, once you’re a student of the becoming a student for life.
00:51:18:10 – 00:51:43:23
Unknown
And so we’re constantly doing research and anything that we, we, we discover, we share, we teach. So we constantly say, if you like learning, if you like expanding, if you like being Jupiter, let’s do a Jupiter archetype. Yeah. This is definitely, an area of growth for all of us, even for myself. Right. So for me, I learn from every single, one of you as well.
00:51:43:23 – 00:52:05:07
Unknown
So it’s not that I share what I learned, but I get so much from you as well. And I thought, honestly, I was like, this is my fifth certification. I’m a psychologist. I’ve been practicing for 25 years, so I’ve learned so much and I’m still learning now. So yeah, it’s it’s a wonderful academy. Really, truly. Wow, Catherine, you’ve didn’t pay her to say that, by the way.
00:52:05:07 – 00:52:25:17
Unknown
Oh, you did not. I mean, you’ve done some incredible work. Thank you for sharing your gifts with so many people. And then that ripple effect of them going out and helping other people, it’s beautiful. Okay. So thank you everybody for being here. I hope that you go download your free Astrolabe Blueprint. I hope that you watch the video from Catherine.
00:52:25:21 – 00:52:46:01
Unknown
If you are feeling inspired, go check out the Academy. We’re going to put the link in the show notes. It is a special Astrology Hub cohort because our students are even more inclined towards the astrology. So they just give us like our own little group. So you’re going to get to meet other astrology, have community members, some inner circle, some not.
00:52:46:01 – 00:53:04:24
Unknown
I know that it’s drawn from both. And otherwise I’m just I’m excited for you. Like, I’m excited for you if this is what you’re doing next with, like, amazing. So thank you for listening. And Catherine and Annie, thank you so much for being here and sharing your experiences and your stories. And I can’t wait to catch all of you on the next episode.
00:53:04:24 – 00:53:12:03
Unknown
Thank you for being here, and thank you for making astrology a part of your life. See you soon. Thank you.
